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It’s kind of early, but you can see a clear Top 10 emerging, based on the amount of points some of these games got sofar, looking especially at the games with more than 200 points.

So here we are:

1. The Curse of Monkey Island             235
2. Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers       223
3. The Secret of Monkey Island           223 (fewer 7 point votes than GK)
4. Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars   216
5. The Longest Journey                 211
6. Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within       203
7. Grim Fandango                     200
8. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis     198
9. Day of the Tentacle                 195
10. Monkey Island 2: LeChuck’s Revenge       194

That is not a bad list at all…..though I would switch some of the games in their order a bit

It does depend in group the top games were on, in an uneven group the most popular games would get more points then in balanced groups.

It’s like Real Madrid in a group with Basel, Liverpool and Ludogorets - of course they are going to win all games in the group

But that is solid Top 10, begins to show how popular Lucasarts is

Well, not quite.
One group has 2 games in this Top10, such as the group with COMI and Indiana Jones. Both games got more points that most top games from other groups. Quite some groups had no game with close to or more than 200 points. I don’t think it matters much what other games they were compared against.

I do think the amount of points is a strong measure for later success in this tournament aswel.

Maybe this can be a compromise?

Day 1 -  R64 brackets 1&2 open
Day 3 -  R64 brackets 3&4 open
Day 5 -  R64 brackets 5&6 open
Day 7 -  R64 brackets 7&8 open - brackets 1&2 closed
Day 9 -  R64 brackets 3&4 closed
Day 11 - R64 brackets 5&6 closed
Day 13 - R64 brackets 7&8 closed

For anyone curious, I sorted the results from the group stage a few different ways and published it on Google Sheets so you can see it.

Sheet 1 - Sorted by total points
Sheet 2 - Sorted by 7 pt votes
Sheet 3 - Sorted by average points
Sheet 4 - Qualified games only (sorted by total points)
Sheet 5 - Unqualified games only (sorted by total points)

Tie breaking in the sorting is handled the same way Bogi did: Most 7 pts, then most 5 pts, then most 3 pts, etc.

(The nice thing about Bogi’s use of ASCII text with fixed width columns is that it made importing the results into Excel easy, so all of this was easy to do.)

These rankings are, of course, skewed by:
1) what games people have played
2) how stiff the competition was in each group
3) some groups having eight games, while some had nine (which is fine for the tournament voting within groups, but skews the results when ranking all games by points like in my spreadsheet)
4) small sample size
5) possible other factors—For just one example, I’ve been busy with family during the holiday and therefore voted in fewer I-P groups than I did in A-H groups.

But it’s still fun to look at the results. You can see some unqualified games that got a lot of points and might have qualified if they’d been in a less competitive group. You can see some little-voted-for games that have a high average. (It is, though, undetermined whether a small number of votes means fewer people played a game, or some people just didn’t like it enough to give it any points at all.) And so on. Nothing scientific, but hopefully interesting.

Of course, amidst all this horse-racing, it’s important to remember that even the lower ranked games here are awesome, which is why they were entered into the tournament in the first place.

Handy sheets for reading results

Silent Hill - played by few but loves (another reminder I need to play Shattered Memories…)
Danganronpa a great average of course (but few players) - like VLR and PW
Broken Sword 5 not qualified with 86 points!
Beneath a Steel Sky everybodys second favorite game (most game with 5pts)
Blackwell Epiphany best game from 2014

Lucasarts 11 games qualified
Sierra 9 games qualified

Poor Pepper…

Great stuff Caliburn!

Bogi - 02 January 2015 04:37 PM

Maybe this can be a compromise?

Day 1 -  R64 brackets 1&2 open
Day 3 -  R64 brackets 3&4 open
Day 5 -  R64 brackets 5&6 open
Day 7 -  R64 brackets 7&8 open - brackets 1&2 closed
Day 9 -  R64 brackets 3&4 closed
Day 11 - R64 brackets 5&6 closed
Day 13 - R64 brackets 7&8 closed

Nice compromise I like it. Thanks Bogi.

Jabod - 02 January 2015 03:55 PM

subbi - 02 January 2015 03:47 PM

Well, not quite.
One group has 2 games in this Top10, such as the group with COMI and Indiana Jones. Both games got more points that most top games from other groups. Quite some groups had no game with close to or more than 200 points. I don’t think it matters much what other games they were compared against.

I do think it’s a strong measure for later success in this tournament though.

I’m not so sure that you’re right Subbi. Take group M for example. The only group of all that had all 4 qualifying with 100+ votes. Swap any of those 4 with one of the group winners that had only that 1 into 3 figures and the swapped one could well be in the top ten at the expense of the one moved over to group M (if you see what I mean). So I think Wilco’s point has some validation.

Yes, you and Wilco do have a point here and it does apply to mostly group M, where 4 great games had to compete over the points available. However, I don’t think any of those 4 will eventually land in the Top 10 anyway, but they would certainly rank higher than their current point lists account for.

Also, don’t forget that some groups really do got fewer points than some other groups and that is an indication too. (at least on the popularity of some games) I myself did give all the points in some groups, but none or few in others.

The Top 10 as shown now, based on amount of points, is imo a pretty close to what the end result will look like. I’d be very surprised if not at least 9 of these will be in the final Top 10.

My main gripe is sofar that all 3 Monkey Island games are in there, which seems like a bit much. AG’s Top 100 has the third on a much lower position, but given the popularity of the game amongst our forum users, I really do expect it to stay on pole position.

Bogi - 01 January 2015 08:20 PM

And Caliburn, if you are reading this your notes posted as instructions in each group thread were invaluable, I would be very grateful if you could done something similar, when we create new bracket threads

Sure thing. Here’s a draft of how the thread for each bracket could look, complete with one possible scoreboard (modified from your ASCII art brackets) and instructions. I used games that didn’t actually survive the group stage just for the sake of an example.

Thread title: R64 Bracket 1 - The Big AG VS Tournament

Vote for one game in each versus match that you’d like to see advance to the next round. Feel free to skip any match that you don’t want to vote in.

Voting for this bracket will end on X January at 23:59 GMT.

The four games in each bracket that survive their versus match will go on to the next round (the Round of 32), and so on, until only one game remains and wins the tournament for our community’s favorite adventure game.

Not sure what this tournament is all about? See the Overview thread here. Don’t worry if you missed previous rounds. Join in and have fun!

And here’s an alternate scoreboard possibility that would be easier to create and maintain than the brackets. One still annoying thing, though, is the Code function will trigger random colors. Edit: I’ve now eliminated the red color by using your apostrophe substitution trick.

As always, Bogi, feel free to modify as desired.

Match 1

Match 2

Match 3

Match 4

Excellent Caliburn, thank you very much

Group I - Absolutely no surprises here, maybe Night of the Rabbit wasn’t that sure for advancement, and it’s evident by having the fewest points of all games that reached Top64. Probably the weakest group.

Group J - Again rather expected results, only didn’t expect To the Moon (playing on emotions, no puzzles) to be ranked so high, especially not above Hand of Fate, one of the best VGA age games outside of Lucas and Sierra.

Group K - Pretty strong group, Grim Fandango slightly underperformed, I expected a result closer to CMI. I also expected I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream to finish at second place, with Loom closely behind. I also thought both TWD and StS2 would be above Gray Matter, that maybe really is a dark horse, as Diego said.

I’m one hour late and I’m terribly sorry, we’ll proceed with the draw immediately.

First group drawn is O,
and the games are:

Monkey Island 2: LeChuck’s Revenge - R64_1
Blackwell Epiphany - R64_61
Simon the Sorcerer - R64_35
The Black Mirror - R64_31

Second is group F:

The Whispered World - R64_8
Zork Grand Inquisitor - R64_60
Space Quest IV: Roger Wilco & Time Rippers - R64_38
Broken Age - R64_26

Third group is B:

The Curse of Monkey Island - R64_9
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis - R64_53
Quest for Glory IV: Shadows of Darkness - R64_43
Shadow of Destiny (aka Shadow of Memories) - R64_23

Fourth drawn group is M:

Tex Murphy: The Pandora Directive - R64_16
Sam & Max Hit the Road - R64_52
The Dig - R64_46
Dreamfall: The Longest Journey - R64_18

Fifth group is A:

Botanicula - R64_17
Discworld II - R64_45
Portal 2 - R64_51
Portal - R64_15

Sixth group is H:

The Longest Journey - R64_24
Gemini Rue - R64_44
Sherlock Holmes:Case of the Serrated Scalpel - R64_54
Zork: Nemesis - R64_10

Seventh is group I:

Day of the Tentacle - R64_25
Gabriel Knight 3: BotS, BotD - R64_37
Primordia - R64_59
Night of the Rabbit - R64_7

Eighth group is P:

Full Throttle - R64_32
Discworld Noir - R64_36
The Last Express - R64_62
The Book of Unwritten Tales - R64_2

9th group is D:

Machinarium - R64_33
Riven - R64_29
Syberia II - R64_3
Space Quest V: The Next Mutation - R64_63

10th group is K:

Grim Fandango - R64_40
Loom - R64_28
Gray Matter - R64_6
I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream - R64_58

11th group is E:

Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars - R64_41
Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon - R64_21
The Moment of Silence - R64_11
Edna and Harvey: The Breakout - R64_55

12th group is J:

Syberia - R64_48
Blade Runner - R64_20
To the Moon - R64_14
Conquests of the Longbow: The Legend of R.H. - R64_50

13th group is G:

Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within - R64_49
Sanitarium - R64_13
Still Life - R64_19
Brothers - A Tale of Two Sons - R64_47

14th group is C:

Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers - R64_56
Beneath a Steel Sky - R64_12
Maniac Mansion - R64_22
Dark Fall - R64_42

15th is group L:

The Secret of Monkey Island - R64_57
Resonance - R64_5
Myst - R64_27
Myst III: Exile - R64_39

and of course, 16th group is N:

King’s Quest VI: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow - R64_64
Discworld - R64_4
The Neverhood - R64_30
Leisure Suit Larry 7: Love for Sail! - R64_34