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Jane Jensen Wins!

Score for the record:-
Jane Jensen 25
Roberta Williams :17

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The-Adventure-Gamers-dot-com-Cage-Matches-Prologue:-

Sometimes, with no real or specific reason, there are always somethings out-there crying to be put into comparison!, and away from the global famous comparisons, such with sport teams (i.e. Man.United vs Arsenal, or Barcelona Vs Real Madrid) or Metal Music icons Megadeth Vs Metallica. There are 100s of other pairs always fun to bring them into these kinda matches. Of course/defiantly i will stay away of the oldest pair (match) at the History of Adventure gaming (Sierra Vs LucasArts) as i think there are enough other interesting adventure gaming challenges/matches (and not-too-much-fun-lesser than them) to be taken/given here.

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Lets get this over with ,I am afraid that the results might be previously known for this poll which is very disappointing for me ,but I thought of giving it a shot .

in this comparison we might wanna think of:
who had the most greatest effect of the genre .
who have the most pleasing personality .
and who had (accumulating) improved the genre.
and who is so arrogant and cocky.
who is the mutlimilioner that doesn’t deserve any more cherishing .
...and who would you give your money if you have only one choice.

If this vote seems ridiculous just move on. Or just don’t take it too serious .

…but ultimately we have to consider who made the best games and for my money it’s Jane Jensen every time!

Sorry old chap, I know how you feel about Roberta but in the end her best game (in my opinion) is KQ6 and even then only because of Jane! [/personal opinion]

No sorry(s) Intense , but I think all this love for Jane had nothing or more to do than her games and contributions ,and makes me sad that we would love some designer for her great personality, not for her ..(you know) designs ,development and achievements .. I think this idea/story would go also for Tim Schafer vs Bill Tiller (i.e).

Both of them are pretty ladies, so that’s a tie for me
Roberta is one of the founders of the genre and the most important female person in the gaming industry. Together with Ken Williams, of course. The most important couple.
I really enjoy the classical King’s Quest gameplay (despite faulty design) and I really wish for more games of such sort, even though my favourite is King’s Quest 6 (again, a tie between R & J).
I also like Laura Bow, but I hate Phantasmagoria

Jane made Gabriel Knight 1 and 3, which are among my top 10 adventure games. I’m not sure whether they were influential, but they were among the first “adult” games back then in the sense of writing.
I also love Robert Holmes’ music themes - he’s one of my favourite game composers.
Then again, Jane’s credits are not that big, and I don’t really care much for GK2, nor Gray Matter or her casual games.
What DOES matter though, is that she continues making games no matter what, and I’m very excited about Moebius. I gave my money to her, and, basically, I had only one choice)

I cheated and voted for both (I can do that as a mod ). Because it is a tie, imo.

Who is the most important female in gaming? Roberta Williams
Between the two of them, who made the best games? Jane Jensen
Who’s still making games? Jane Jensen
But without Roberta Williams, there’d probably not be a Jane Jensen.

It’s difficult to compare the two because you’re really comparing apples and oranges. So some will vote for the one that made the biggest impact on the genre (which is undoubtedly Roberta), and some will vote for the one that made the best games (which is for most people Jensen)...

They’re both winners, imo.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to suggest that Roberta’s contribution to the history of adventure games isn’t massively important because it is.

However, where Roberta (or perhaps more generally Sierra) paved the way, or established a convention, of adventure games others, including Jane, took it on to new levels. Whilst you might say no Jane without Roberta (although I’m not entirely sure that someone else working with Ken at the beginning couldn’t have equalled what Roberta did [/blasphemy] ) that does not necessarily mean that Roberta must be greater than all who follow her.

Take the history of film for instance (not that I’m an expert by any means). When it all started in the late 19th century it re-defined storytelling probably more than Sierra’s early graphic adventures did to gaming (or perhaps to a similar extent) but I would not call whoever was making the first films the greatest in the film genre. Films have come on massively since then both technologically and artistically and the same is true of adventure games. Therefore first is not necessarily greatest and it does not follow that Roberta is automatically greater* than Jane. (*or better or whatever word you want to use).

I would argue that the main legacy for both Roberta and Jane will be the games themselves and whilst Roberta will always be first, Jane will always be greater. [/personal opinion]

Advie you shouldnt..

Intense Degree - 24 January 2014 12:24 PM

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to suggest that Roberta’s contribution to the history of adventure games isn’t massively important because it is.

However, where Roberta (or perhaps more generally Sierra) paved the way, or established a convention, of adventure games others, including Jane, took it on to new levels. Whilst you might say no Jane without Roberta (although I’m not entirely sure that someone else working with Ken at the beginning couldn’t have equalled what Roberta did [/blasphemy] ) that does not necessarily mean that Roberta must be greater than all who follow her.

Take the history of film for instance (not that I’m an expert by any means). When it all started in the late 19th century it re-defined storytelling probably more than Sierra’s early graphic adventures did to gaming (or perhaps to a similar extent) but I would not call whoever was making the first films the greatest in the film genre. Films have come on massively since then both technologically and artistically and the same is true of adventure games. Therefore first is not necessarily greatest and it does not follow that Roberta is automatically greater* than Jane. (*or better or whatever word you want to use).

I would argue that the main legacy for both Roberta and Jane will be the games themselves and whilst Roberta will always be first, Jane will always be greater. [/personal opinion]

I believe that comparing Yanni’ or Malmsteen’ Music’ with the old ‘classical era’ of music is as much as comparing Jane with Roberta ,they are just out of the compression !! .

The pattern made by the 1st people who makes ‘whatever’ is always pure! ,Roberta had created/made worlds ,that make players into believing that they are the heroes of those games/worlds which offers them a real time life experience ,she invented this all! . so the comparison can always just be subjective about the better storytelling or the designing ,but to have/give idea from/to generations that Jane is over-bettering Roberta ,sounds like saying malmsteen is better than Bach.

Jane came in with the technologies and that ‘idea’ she helped Sierra games to stop the deaths feature is as well as Sierra had settled on the dead-ends before (not worth mentioning imo.

I don’t like even the equality even as sorta respect for Roberta , sounds very far to my ears.

@Tim “can you still vote some more”

subbi - 24 January 2014 12:31 PM

Easy,

Tell me, is there any game that Roberta designed all by herself (no co-writer/designer involved) that people actually play still today? Honestly, because I can’t think of any personally, whereas GK1 and 2 I play at least once every 2 years or so. And I have seen others being outspoken on this forum on regularly playing KQ6 and GK3 aswel.
But any ‘real’ Roberta game? I can’t seem to name one.

Any particular reason why personality and looks count?
(I realize that may have been a joke though….:-))

Phantasmagoria ,King’s Quest V: Absence Makes the Heart Go Yonder! the ADGI remakes and IA remake Plus KQ6 and Laure Bow 2 ,all those can be played today! ..

Yea that was a Joke as the Multimillionair thing

by the way some of those bubbles were added over ..but ‘come on!’