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Advie - 27 October 2014 04:46 PM

5 Experience : how would it sound if the list maker haven’t used Syberia i.e because he never tried, the maker of any list should be the most ultimate one experienced at ags (at one venue or to be a part of a team at least), so the number of ags played does matter.

No matter how big fan of a genre you are, I doubt anyone could play every game possible in the genre. There’s not just enough time for that. So no matter what your “expertise” level is, you are bound to have missed a lot of games other people would consider to be best in the genre.

And, frankly, if you haven’t played it, the game should not have place in your list, as your choice would be based on second hand information, not your personal opinion.

The good thing about concensus lists is, that if enough list makers note some game, then it can be taken account and positioned on the list. But then again, as the list is bound to have games that the other people haven’t played, so they’re just agreeing with gathered data about the quality of the game. Even if you would get a tope 10 list of best games ever, you might end up disagreeing with the choises, as your personal prefence is different from what “experts” have listed.

Yes, Quest for Glory IV deserved its place in any top. One of the most atmospheric and complex adventure games that mixes humour, horror and folklore perfectly, while the RPG element never gets frustrating and is smartly used for adventure purposes.

Karlok - 25 October 2014 06:34 AM

thejobloshow - 24 October 2014 09:39 PM

It’s a bit hard to pin where Papers, Please fits exactly. Simulation is a big part of the game, absolutely, but there are also very specific storylines interweaved through the experience that affects where your story goes moreso than getting better at checking documents. I think this gives Papers leeway to be posted here in the same way that Police Quest can be classified an adventure even though a good chunk of that game’s challenge is about following procedure rather than piecing together clues to solve puzzles.

Hm. I don’t find your argument convincing. Would you still call it an adventure if it was a pretty bad game?

This comment slipped by my radar. I like to think I would but I have used your line of reasoning in the past when criticising this website’s labeling of Portal as an “adventure game”. Would this website associate that game to this genre had it not been such a brilliant game?

I want to look at Papers, Please’s gameplay though. Checking documents is the core mechanical quirk but storytelling decisions and branching narratives are also a huge draw card. There’s even a bit of an inventory when people start giving you secret notes that you can pass onto different characters or use to decide someone’s fate. Does it sound like I’m trying to shoehorn the game into the genre? Perhaps… With the reasoning I’ve just applied, you could try and make an argument that Mass Effect is an adventure game. However, maybe labeling what category Papers, Please fits into isn’t so black and white. Wouldn’t you agree?

thejobloshow - 02 November 2014 05:01 PM

I want to look at Papers, Please’s gameplay though. Checking documents is the core mechanical quirk but storytelling decisions and branching narratives are also a huge draw card. There’s even a bit of an inventory when people start giving you secret notes that you can pass onto different characters or use to decide someone’s fate. Does it sound like I’m trying to shoehorn the game into the genre? Perhaps… With the reasoning I’ve just applied, you could try and make an argument that Mass Effect is an adventure game. However, maybe labeling what category Papers, Please fits into isn’t so black and white. Wouldn’t you agree?

Hm, yes, you have a point. But it’s not good enough to make me change my mind since my AGSotD post here. And that was two days before you wrote about Papers Please in this thread.