[eriq]

Originally Posted by Deshrill

I go to an art school and there is a big division between the 2-D Animation students and the 3-D Animation. That has nothing to do with adventure games, but it's a sleep-deprived aside.

how do you mean? Are they always saying one is better than the other? explain. That sounds interesting...

I love both animation styles. Each can be expressed artistically in so many ways. Have you seen D'ario Piccau's work? It's amazing. His film L'uovo is just stunning.

On the subject of Toonstruck, I've always loved the cartoon style. Something about 2d cartoon characters against painted backgrounds is just so beautiful to look at. Day of the Tentacle and Toonstruck were similar in that sense.

[Deshrill]

[I]Originally posted by Eriq: how do you mean? Are they always saying one is better than the other? explain. That sounds interesting...

Sort of. The whole recent shift to all CG pictures, especially with Disney recently shutting down their theatrical 2-D animation unit, makes things a bit tense for 2-D Animation Majors at my school. In fact, in the new cirriculum, 2-D Animation Majors are made to take some Intro Maya (3-D) Classes...

I mean, 2-D Animation is still being done in the US (commercials, TV shows [which are animated in Korea, primarily], direct to video sequels [animated in Canada, Korea, etc], etc.), but it's not as popular for theatrical features as it used to be.

I think both styles work in different ways, although at times I prefer 2-D.

At my college, SCAD, the 3-D Animation students are impressed with what the 2-D students have to do, calling it "raw animation".

Ultimately, in an art school, getting a job upon graduation is not easy (this is true of any Major in college, but art-related degrees are especially tricky to find work in).

BTW, I am a Computer Art Major with a Concentration in Game Design & Interactivity if anyone was wondering.

Hopes this answers your ?.

[pointandcliklover]

so sorry to change the topic but did anyone get stuck at the point where u have the bloke and the rabbit in the cooking pot and u had to tip it over to escape the wolfs i never got pass that point i wondered if their was a bug at all

lee i wish there was a toonstruck 2 it would have been really cool

[Garyos]

Originally Posted by pointandcliklover

so sorry to change the topic but did anyone get stuck at the point where u have the bloke and the rabbit in the cooking pot and u had to tip it over to escape the wolfs i never got pass that point i wondered if their was a bug at all

lee i wish there was a toonstruck 2 it would have been really cool

I hated that bit the first time. But I don't mind it anymore, because the cutscene you get when you do it is pretty cool, and I love the gentle rythm you get going, swaying back and forth, green gunge almost spilling over...

[jannar85]

Originally Posted by guybrush_guy

i sent him an email as well, no reply yet

Still nothing?

[Jediritter]

Never thought that there 'exist' Toonstruck 2.
I played today Toonstruck and as it ended i thought it need to be continued, so i searched with google.
Are there new information about email reply's or who has the copyright of toonstruck (if somebody has it).
And if maybe still exist the beta and if it could be sell to people who wants
btw, sorry for my terrible english, i am to sleepy

wow this is an old thread, if you read threw the whole post it will pritty much tell you everything you want to know about the game

P.S.
welcome to the forums

[Jediritter]

i did read the whole post, the official toonstruck i played
i just thought there are new information about the beta or petition or etc.
if its to much and we let this post sleep, i would be happy about a pm

btw, thanks for the welcome greets

[Captain Blondebeard]

I've never played the original. Does anyone know where I can get it?

[Jediritter]

Try ebay, there i buyed mines for 1€

[xtopher]

I don't know if it was mentioned, because I can't bother to read 3 pages. But you were talking about adventure games that "should have been made", such as Indy 5, Warcraft adventures, toonstruck 2. Well aren't you forgetting Sam and max 2? (RIP )

[bbX1138]

I can't get those links to adventurecorner, at the top of this thread, working! Does anyone have updated or alternate links?

[Jediritter]

Here the special about Adventures which never were:
http://www.adventurecorner.de/pages.php?id=91
and here the Interviwe with Richard Hare:
http://www.adventurecorner.de/pages.php?id=26

Both are in german.

[gos]

where? i can't see toonstruck 2 the pictures are from toonstruck 1

[Jediritter]

In Adventures which never were are pictures from toonstruck 2, too.
You see van gogh as toon.
And the western city wasn't in toonstruck 1, to bad.

[Kafka]

Hi, a new user here. I'm from Finland, so excuse my english! And what better place to make the first post than this topic! So about the original topic. Sheesh! This is one game, that should have a sequel. I used to play this back in the day when it came to the stores. Now where is the damn cd...

[AndreaDraco83]

Welcome Kafka! And your English is not bad at all!

Enjoy your stay!

[bbX1138]

Originally Posted by Jediritter

Here the special about Adventures which never were:
http://www.adventurecorner.de/pages.php?id=91
and here the Interviwe with Richard Hare:
http://www.adventurecorner.de/pages.php?id=26

Both are in german.

Are there english translations anywhere? The original now-broken link to the interview looked like one.

Thanks!

[Akril]

I have a copy of an English translation of that interview that I found elsewhere. I don't remember the URL, so if it's all right, I'll copy+paste it here (mild Toonstruck spoilers):

Interview with Richard Hare

Malachit had the chance to interview Richard Hare, Lead Designer of the in 1996 released adventuregame 'ToonStruck', in March 2003. You get to know what a possible sequel would have looked like and Richard tells us about some about his future plans..

AC: Hi Richard. Could you introduce yourself at first?
RH: My name is Richard Hare and I am the Creative Director and one of the co-owners at The Collective; a video game developer in Orange County, Southern California that has developed 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - The Fallen', 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer', and 'Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb'. Prior to forming The Collective, I worked for Virgin Interactive and was the Lead Designer on the adventure game ToonStruck.

AC: How did you get the idea for ToonStruck?
RJ: Originally, the project's Executive Producer, David Bishop, had the idea for a game called, 'Trouble in Toonland'. The story was about a young boy, Daniel, who is transported to a cartoon world that is being terrorized by a villainous, black-and-white "toon" known as Ghastly Graham. Teaming up with a friendly toon, Gerald, Daniel must stop Ghastly Graham before he sucks all of the color out of the cartoon world.

We took this rudimentary story concept and made a LOT of changes so that it would appeal more to an older audience. Daniel became the animator, Drew Blanc. Ghastly Graham became Count Nefarious. And Gerald became the wacky, morphing Flux Wildly.

We were all huge fans of the LucasArts adventure games at the time and so we decided to make a game in that genre.

AC: 'ToonStruck' was the first PC-game with a real actor in a toon world. What gave you the idea not to use a toon-character, but a real actor?
RH: Back then there had been two major Hollywood films featuring a mix between real actors and animated worlds; "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" and "Cool World." Some of the senior executives at Virgin Interactive really liked the idea of doing the same for a game.

AC: In my opinion 'ToonStruck' is one of the best adventures ever made, but it wasn't a big commercial success. Do you have a explanation for that?
RH: Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the game. There were numerous reasons why ToonStruck was not a big commercial success:
· In Western culture, cartoons are typically considered to be for children. I think there was a lot of consumer confusion regarding ToonStruck. It could easily be confused as a game for kids or edutainment.
· The game was not backed with an effective, timely marketing campaign. There was very little advertising and none of it really captured the essence of the game.
· Adventure game sales were already on the decline.
· The box art was truly awful - particularly in Europe.

AC: At the end of 'ToonStruck' there was a hint to a sequel, which unfortunately never has been made. What would 'ToonStruck 2' have been look like and what would be the story?
RH: Actually, due to scheduling pressures, we were forced to cut the first game in half and re-shoot the ending. There was a lot of material created (art, animation, audio, and code) for the first game that was never used. In the original story, once Drew escaped from Nefarious's castle, he and Flux were supposed to ride a "Train of Thought" (remember the train tracks area in Zanydu?) up to an island in the sky. Here, Drew explores his own fears and fantasies within a carnival setting (there was a Wild West shootout, an encounter with Drew's artist idol, Van Gogh, and a visit to a maniacal dentist). Finally, Drew needs to kick-start his imagination/creativity (represented by a huge lighthouse) and defeat both Fluffy Fluffy Bun Bun and Nefarious in the process.

If the first ToonStruck had been commercially successful, we would have used most of the content that had been cut from the first game and added in additional scenes to pad out the story. Drew Blanc would have been transformed into a "toon" at the outset of the game and would need to undo this by the end of the game. We also wanted to add in more physical-based puzzles, allowing Drew to physically push around objects in the scene and use them together to solve different problems.

AC: Is there a chance this game could ever be released?
RH: There is no chance whatsoever! No publisher would want to make a sequel for a game that was not commercially successful; particularly an adventure game!

AC: Do you think the adventure-genre is dead?
RH: I think it definitely has been dead for the last few years. However, I am confident that the adventure game will make a comeback - but not exactly the way it was. I'm looking forward to 'Sam & Max 2' which is due out sometime in the near future. I also hope that The Collective can perhaps create a new type of adventure game and help revitalize this genre.

AC: When did you start to develop computer games?
RH: I started working on video games when I was 16 years old and still at high school. I began creating art for the 8-bit Commodore 64 computer for games such as Leviathan and Tusker. That was 17 years ago!

AC: What are you currently working on?
RH: The Collective is currently working on 'Wrath' (a game that combines turn-based strategy with creature fighting) for LucasArts and two other action-adventures that have not been announced as of yet.

AC: What does your family think of your work?
RH: My mum and dad are very proud of what my brother, Doug (who is one of my partners and former lead programmer on 'ToonStruck'), and I have accomplished.

AC: What is your favourite computer game?
RH: I think my favorite computer game is the one that I have yet to create!

AC: What kind of game would you like to develop, if you had unlimited means?
RH: I'd love to create a ground-breaking adventure game that would appeal to old adventure fans and new gamers alike.

AC: What is your favourite food?
RH: I love Thai food!

Thanks for your time!


(P.S.: I wonder if any of the unused Toonstruck graphics/animations made it into the game's resource files. I've found several unused speech files, but I have no idea how to take a look at the game's graphics. I know there's a Toonstruck resource viewer in development, but I don't know if it's progressed at all since I last heard about it.)

[bbX1138]

That's brilliant, thanks Akril!

Maybe AdventureGamers could get permission from the German site to run that translation? It's old news now, though, and the site would probably want to keep it for themselves...