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TimovieMan - 13 October 2014 04:18 PM

nickherc - 13 October 2014 03:11 PM

Anyone actually likes Magna Cum and Box office?

I think you’ll find a few at Codemasters…

I can’t remember exactly but I remember something vageuly that someone pretty credible (Josh?) had played an early version of one of those two games and that at that moment it wasn’t all that bad but somehow later in development things got really screwed up.

Well that’s really vague but maybe someone else remembers

nickherc - 15 October 2014 04:02 AM

Krazy - 13 October 2014 09:06 AM

TimovieMan - 13 October 2014 06:38 AM

Krazy - 13 October 2014 12:44 AM

I dunno I think treating people better is better. But you’re free to choose to believe a different thing.

Treating people better IS better.
But we’re talking about a satirically humourous video game here. Political correctness does not apply here (and would only hurt the game and its humour).

Being a satirical humourous video game shouldn’t give it a free pass. The old games got away with a lot of questionable shit like in Larry 6 where Larry kisses a transwoman and then gets disgusted when he finds out she is one. Then its implied she forcibly has sex with him; cut to Larry disgustedly brushing his teeth and drinking mouthwash in the morning. I don’t think that is or ever was cool! A lot of stuff from the 90’s got away with a lot of abhorrent stuff that maybe it shouldn’t have and I don’t see how it’s a bad thing that more people are less willing to let such things slide today. But anyway, with Larry Reloaded no one stopped the game from being made, but you can’t get angry at people being critical of it. No piece of media should just have a ‘free ride’ and I don’t think looking critically at media should be thought of as censorship. The implication that this is some kind of dark age is ridiculous.

Oh come on, it’s a freaking game, a joke, satire… whatever… I despise censorship in the name of puritanism, it’s just pure evil. What’s next? Where do we stop? Maybe Somalian pirates are also offended by how campy pirates are depicted in Monkey Island series? 

Why do you think me criticising something is me wanting to ban it or censor it? I’ve said like 5 times I don’t want to get anything censored or banned. But it’s a two way street, that also means I’m allowed to freely criticise anything I want otherwise you guys would be the ones performing censorship. I think that’s really ridiculous and gross that you took what I said and turned it into me trying to suppress free thought and called it evil. Evil is the opposite of what I am trying to get across. Like I said being a satire shouldn’t mean you can get away with ANYTHING and not expect criticism. There are limits. The main point I’m trying to make isn’t even about how I feel about these games, it’s that you guys seem to be the ones who are for censorship since you have this reaction to what is just people expressing their honest opinion on something. Disliking something is not the same as trying to eradicate it, and you can also dislike SOME elements of something and still enjoy others. I’ve played every single Al Lowe Larry game to completion, you do realise? Do you think I’d do that if I wanted to throw them all into a fire? Honestly questions like “where do we stop?” is something that bigots have said for generations in reaction to any kind of social progress. It doesn’t ‘end’, we just progress and try to learn and grow as a society. Why are you so threatened? That might be something to think about.

And that Somalian pirates thing is some strange straw-man version of what I am saying that you’ve concocted, Monkey Island is a cartoonish period piece set hundreds of years ago, it has nothing to do with Somalian pirates.

I hope you do realize that progress is not a straight line that goes to eternity and that often through history many things that were once normal and usual were later abandoned and spat upon and vice versa, many things that were considered unimaginable were quite common later.

That’s a process and you can only state which is better in your eyes, but cannot (you can, but you won’t be considered seriously after that) call others eccentric lunatics (if they are “too progressive”) or bigots (if they are too retrograde) for your taste.

Yes, that’s essentially what I have been saying this entire time. Everyone is entitled to their view. One of the main crux’s of progress is swallowing your pride and admitting to things you might have done or agreed to in the past that were maybe a little shitty. I don’t have an ego big enough to assume that I have everything right and no one else’s views I had never considered don’t matter. But really, the thing that set me off was the implication that other people’s views were ridiculous and too ‘PC’. Which is just absurd. Just because more people have a voice it absolutely does not mean things have gotten worse. If anything the greater amount of perspective today is a positive! Remember, you don’t have to agree with any of them, but their existence should not offend you unless you really are a bigot who wants to censor other views. All I have really done in this thread is present my point of view and you’ve all jumped down my throat as if I’m advocating some kind of censorship, which is weird, because I’m just a guy on a forum. I clearly have no power or interest in doing that.

Bogi - 15 October 2014 08:46 AM

I hope you do realize that progress is not a straight line that goes to eternity and that often through history many things that were once normal and usual were later abandoned and spat upon and vice versa, many things that were considered unimaginable were quite common later.

I’m actually not sure if you’re saying that against me, because it kind of supports what I’m saying which is stuff that might have been excusable 10-20 years ago might not be as such today. Again, all I’m trying to say is that being critical and providing a new perspective on things is not bad and it’s not censorship and you shouldn’t act like a few reviwers not finding Larry funny or appropriate is the end of free speech. Seriously, grow up.

What “excusable” means in this case?

To me it does sound very closely to censorship.

No, excusable is a personal thing. Like I just said, anything I say only matters as much as you believe it does. I have to say it’s a little irritating how you are taking all of my opinions as if I am a dictator stating my personal decree for the entire world. It’s inexcusable or excusable to ME because I am saying it. It’s my opinion. I am being critical. I’m allowed to. THAT is free speech. You’re acting as if me condemning something means NO ONE else can ever enjoy it. That is not true. All I am doing is saying how I feel and if you want to suppress that then maybe you’re the one advocating censorship.

I think it’s unfortunately the case that we hold comedy to a higher standard than even drama when it comes to sensitivity. We get offended by a joke about a pedophile but no one gets outraged at an actor portraying one. It seems strange to me. The Larry games are just about laughs and anyone so feels wounded by them should probably look elsewhere in my opinion.