Sam & Max 2 Museum: Please contribute!

[Stinger]

In conjunction with our own Jake Rodkin and Samandmax.net, Adventure Gamers is working on a Sam & Max: Freelance Police museum. The purpose of this is not to bathe in our own misery--we do well enough at that as is--but rather to avoid people forgetting about one of the most important and sad events in the genre. Most adventure fans barely bat an eyelash today if you mention Secret of Vulcan Fury, or Warcraft Adventures, and I just don't want to see that happen with Sam & Max 2.

Our goal is to archive every single piece of Sam & Max 2-related stuff on the Internet forever. This is where we need help. We need every screenshot, every preview, every concept drawing, every news bit, every mention, every passing reference...absolutely anything and everything that holds the slightest bit of relevance to Sam & Max 2. You need only post links on this thread and we'll take it from there, and we hope to have the museum open for business by the end of the summer.

If you're not sure if a link is relevant or not, assume that it is. Moderators will be keeping an eye out for duplicate links, but please read the thread first to be sure your link isn't a duplicate.

We appreciate, in advance, your contribution to the Sam & Max 2 Museum!

[guybrush_guy]

Save sam and max stuff
http://www.savesamandmax.com/
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?LACOSAM


random info
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/samandmaxfreelancepolice/index.html?q=sam+and+max
http://pc.ign.com/objects/489/489000.html?ui=gamefinder

Interview
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=99951

official screenshots
http://www.fragland.net/index.php?page=screenshots&gid=1040

[Intrepid Homoludens]

:( Thanks a lot, Evan. Now my depression has returned.

As an ALMIGHTY mod I should delete this post right now. But you're lucky it's not that time of the month for me. :eek:

[guybrush_guy]

LOL, yes, thank god! :crazy:

[ConcreteRancor]

How about an autographed copy of my PC Gamer letter? :P

Mama always said I belonged in a museum.

[Stinger]

Are you all kidding me or something? Only one person has any links to offer? :crazy:

[Huz]

Are you all kidding me or something? Only one person has any links to offer? :crazy:
Hmm, OK then... there are some magazine scans hosted here which are probably replicated elsewhere but maybe not:
http://wwhs.fangames.co.uk/quotes.php

The rest of the site is worth a look if you've somehow failed to notice it's existence, too. (Try the LEC Killer game!)

[guybrush_guy]

i'm in the middle of compiling a huge list...so get ready for some excitement!

[RLacey]

I'd offer to scan UK magazine articles, but that would be illegal :S...

[Zomantic]

http://diduz76.interfree.it/freelance.html

A small museum in italian, some screenshots.

http://diduz76.interfree.it/immagini/freelance/sm2screens.zip

Just some screens (good quality) compressed in a 500 kb Zip file.

[RaMa]

Some screens:
http://www.adventure-treff.de/images/galerie.php?ort=screenshots&galerie=52

From these forums:
http://forums.adventuregamers.com/showthread.php?t=2594&highlight=sam+max
http://forums.adventuregamers.com/showthread.php?t=2390&highlight=sam+max
And 'THE' thread:
http://forums.adventuregamers.com/showthread.php?t=2261&highlight=sam+max

Btw, I actually remember reading something about a Warcraft adventure. It was about an orc that had been raised by humans, or something, or had a human father/mother and an orcish mother/father. Something like that. It sounded cool...

[Kolzig]

Btw, I actually remember reading something about a Warcraft adventure. It was about an orc that had been raised by humans, or something, or had a human father/mother and an orcish mother/father. Something like that. It sounded cool...

Yeah, Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans, I once had a trailer of it on a PC Gamer Uk cd.

It looked very promising, it's sad that Blizzard cancelled it so long time ago...

Warcraft Adventures, a (go figure) adventure game, was conceived. Although nearly complete, the game failed to meet up to Blizzard's expectations, and not wanting to tarnish their hard-earned reputation in the gaming community, Warcraft Adventures was cancelled.

[remixor]

Yeah, Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans, I once had a trailer of it on a PC Gamer Uk cd.

It looked very promising, it's sad that Blizzard cancelled it so long time ago...

It made me very sad :sad: I'd been looking forward to it for ages.

[Stinger]

Yeah, Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans, I once had a trailer of it on a PC Gamer Uk cd.

Oh man, if anyone actually has a copy of that trailer and can get it to me or give me a download link, I will absolutely be the happiest guy alive.

- Evan

[Kolzig]

Well Evan, now you can be the happiest guy alive. :)

http://www.war3.com/lotc/

LotC Trailer (http://www.war3.com/lotc/Adventure.exe): - 12.8 MB - Shockwave format

"BLACKMOOR, tonight you sleep in hell!"


Damn the game would've had great voice actors, Peter Cullen (Optimus Prime from the original, and best Transformers series), Clancy Brown (Lex Luthor in Superman the animated series) and the unknown dark voiced Tony Jay...

http://www.gamespot.com/features/pcgraveyard/sounds.html

Here's some great voice samples for those who are interested.

Also, it's quite interesting how the game was actually labeled as Warcraft III at some point.

http://www.war3.com/lotc/screenshots/large/29.jpg

[Maquisard]

Imagine that, adventure games were popular enough at one time that some considered them fitting to continue the legacy of an RTS series, even as an official sequel. Of course, RTSs have some kinship with the adventure genre--the hybrid strategy/adventure game "Dune," which simulated the realistic passage of time (night and day cycles, armies moving across the planet map at a slow, constant pace) gave rise to the first ever RTS game, "Dune II." The team (Westwood) which made Dune II would then perfect the formula and give us "C&C2." An interesting cycle, if you think about it.

[RaMa]

Shouldn't we go back on topic now? Come on, people, submit your info!

[HieroHero]

good idea guys..

[DJ Souza]

Most adventure fans barely bat an eyelash today if you mention Secret of Vulcan Fury, or Warcraft Adventures, and I just don't want to see that happen with Sam & Max 2.Good idea! And while you're at it, why not create another museum for the other dead projects like Vulcan Fury, Toonstruck 2, Full Throttle 2, etc. ;)

I think I still have one old article of Vulcan Fury in an old mag somewhere in my bedroom...:D

It would probably be the only museum of dead adventures on the internet. :)

[DJ Souza]

Sam and Max 2 The Most Important Game of the 2004 E3 (http://www.justadventure.com/articles/SamnMax2/SamnMax2.shtm)

Best Adventure NOT at the 2004 E3 (http://www.justadventure.com/articles/E32004/E32004Awards/E32004AwardsNotAtE3.shtm)

Old preview page at JA+ (http://www.justadventure.com/Upcoming_Releases/SamnMax2.shtm)

[guybrush_guy]

looking at all these links makes me want to cry :\

[JBRAA]

looking at all these links makes me want to cry :\
I have a video to the toupee scene.

http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com/original-art/hit-the-road/videos/Sam%20and%20Max%20Hit%20the%20Road%20-%20Bumpusville%20toupee%20scene.avi

http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com

[Krazy]

I have a video to the toupee scene.

http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com/original-art/hit-the-road/videos/Sam%20and%20Max%20Hit%20the%20Road%20-%20Bumpusville%20toupee%20scene.avi

http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com

Hows that SNM2 related? :crazy: :pan:

[JBRAA]

Sorry, thought you collected Sam & Max 1 things also. And I thought that video would cheer up.

[Krazy]

Ah yes well it is a funny scene nontheless :D

[Dragonrose]

Do you want forum threads as well?

http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?topic=6040.0
http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?topic=12143.0

[Stinger]

Yes, any and all forum threads at any and all forums would be very helpful.

[guybrush_guy]

I have a video to the toupee scene.

http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com/original-art/hit-the-road/videos/Sam%20and%20Max%20Hit%20the%20Road%20-%20Bumpusville%20toupee%20scene.avi

http://mojoart.mixnmojo.com


the good old SAM and max toupee scene, when i watch it, it makes me want to sings MSI's cocaine and toupee's

[Jim]

Best Adventure NOT at the 2004 E3 (http://www.justadventure.com/articles/E32004/E32004Awards/E32004AwardsNotAtE3.shtm)
Oh, but it was at E3... :D

http://members.optusnet.com.au/%7Ehierohero/images/maxlives.gif

[Krazy]

Great! :)

[ozzie]

An interview, with a small reference to the development of SnM2:

http://www.lucasarts.com/20th/profiles_michael.htm

One more interview: http://www.mixnmojo.com/galleries/gallery.php?gallery=37&image=175&goback=

And another:

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=99951

An interview with a small reference:

http://www.cgonline.com/features/020521-f2-f1.html

[Udvarnoky]

Man, everyone was so excited, confident, and hopeful back then.

Bastards.

[Udvarnoky]

I's very difficult to find stuff, considering that I don't know what you know but here's some stuff:

Here's a very positive Preview I'd never seen (http://www.totalvideogames.com/pages/articles/index.php?article_id=1213)

cancellation reaction I'd never seen (http://www.tin-ear.net/blog/archives/000498.html)

http://www.contains2.com/timbits/archives/2004/03/16/lucasarts_are_b.php

http://www.livejournal.com/community/lucasarts/10938.html

http://invisionfree.com/forums/worldofstuart/index.php?showtopic=161&st=0

http://ve3dboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=15108766

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-78093

http://www.megarad.com/modules.php?name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=692

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/showthread.php?t=27718&goto=nextoldest

http://friends.portalofevil.com/sp.php?si=3&fi=CONTESTFO&ti=1000553712&pi=1000553712

http://www.the****society.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3332

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/showthread.php?t=27564&page=2&pp=30

http://forums.filenotfound.org//index.php?showtopic=48343&st=0&#entry905460

http://boards.slackercentral.com/showthread.php?t=53413&page=1&pp=20

http://www.livejournal.com/users/fizzbang/76778.html

http://www.paramounttechnology.com/~detonate/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=8404

Nice preview: http://www.actiontrip.com/previews/sammaxfreelancepolice.phtml

I'll edit my post as I get more.

[The Seed]

Just out of interest, how many of you guys use Freelance Police screenshots as you'r desktop image?

Try it, it'll make you feel good when you look at it. I'm currently using the one with Sam holding the little blue gameboy thingie. I like that one because he's smiling in it.
:)

[ozzie]

What Steve Purcell thinks about the cancellation:
http://www.mixnmojo.com/php/news/showfile.php?id=1535&category=advnews

[Udvarnoky]

Hey, guys, can anyone find anything on that survey LucasArts sent out to its site members last year? It asked some questions about adventure games including Sam & Max (I guess the outcome couldn't have seemed too positive for the folks at LucasArts). Anyway, if anyone can find the damned survey, I'd really be interested in seeing it again, and I think it would make an important addition to the museum as well.

I've found this (http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:sxn7OYa8TuYJ:forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/board/message%3Fboard.id%3Dbasic_pc%26message.id%3D25866 1+sam+max+lucasarts+cancel&hl=en), and there's the Mixnmojo news post as well, but I'd really like to see the actual survey again.

[Eye-Z]

can't believe they cancelled, i remember when this was announced i'd actually forgot and was lookin forward to it coming out next year

imagine my dismay when i remember that it was cancelled

yes how horrified i was

[Brushguy]

Don't forget that stuff that Something Awful Forums snuck out of Lucasarts, including some scripts and that Bill Farmer recording. I've tried finding the thread but no luck...

When's the museum gonna be open?

[Udvarnoky]

Don't forget that stuff that Something Awful Forums snuck out of Lucasarts, including some scripts and that Bill Farmer recording. I've tried finding the thread but no luck...


Here's the Mojo (http://www.mixnmojo.com/php/news/showfile.php?id=1436&category=advnews) news post, but I don't have a paid account so I can't get to the thread either. I remember it being really good and even something about Stemmle talking about the game's second trailer coming "soon." :shifty:

[Udvarnoky]

Okay apparently I can't edit that list post so:

http://www.fictionised.net/index.php?action=newsstory&nid=18

http://www.dignews.com/feature.php?story_id=2442

http://www.dignews.com/news.php?story_id=2407

http://www.dignews.com/feature.php?story_id=2433

http://www.nag.co.za/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=150

[Flupp]

I haven't noticed that anyone has posted the thread from Something Awful so I thought I would copy and paste it here...

This is by justin_on_fire (thanks!), the last bit at the end kills me.




Hey kids. I posted a thread about going to the first recording session for this game, but no one really seemed to respond, but I had a great time, and met some great people, so I want to write about it goddamnit.

I just moved out to Cali from Wisconsin, I was staying in the bay area for around two months now, and I wanted to see LA, and since my cousin lives down here I got the chance to check it out and stay somewhere for free.

He does freelance audio engineering at a studio called "Margarita Mix" in Hollywood. He's worked with Dennis Miller ("Asshole" he says), James Earl Jones, Andre Agaasi, Queen Latifa (for the current pizza hut campaign), Kiefer Sutherland, ect ect ect. He told me he was going to be working on something for LucasArts, and asked if I wanted to tag along. Of course I said yes.

Initially I thought it could be for that new Star Wars cartoon show, but my childhood memories reared their wistful head when I learned that morning that it was going to be for some "Sam and Max" game.

Ah! Ah!!! Sam and Max!!!! Love the original!!!! Freaking out about meeting the voice talent for both of the characters.

It's around 8 in the morning, way too early for me (****ing tired right now) but I am excited so it's all good. We head over to the studio which has sort of a southwestern theme going on (I'd post pictures but I am on dial up here until Sunday, and I HATE dial up).

In the room already are a squirrely chap with a shaven head (introduced as Will), a girl who works for the studio, and an empty seat where the director / writer of this schpeil is supposed to be (Mike). Everyone is very nice, and then, in walks Sam.

I say Sam (though he called himself Bill), because he really had a lot of the same mannerisms and characteristics. A laid back kind of guy, simple black coffee mug in one hand, and a reassuring grin. Even his regalar voice was a lot like Sams. I introduce myself and he kind of wanders around the studio, bringing it all in. Then, he turns to me, and asks where I am from, I tell him Wisconsin and we talk for a while about the midwest and it being flat. While I know this guy is already my hero being the voice of Sam, I then learn he's been doing Goofy's voice for disney (and other assorted characters) for the last 20 years.

Ok, so basically this guy is a legend.

So we talk and talk, and it's great, he shifts between voices like a crazy shifts personalities. About 20 minutes go by and a hulking, hairy bald man that doesn't look too far from a biker shows up. This is Mike, director of the first game, Monkey Island, Escape from Monkey Island, lots of other stuff, and this new Sam and Max game.

He seemed a little huffy and puffy, but it was probably just from being pissed that he waiting in the lobby for a half hour. The recording starts, and as soon as Bill's voices blares on the speakers, I turn to mush. Pro. ****ing pro.

(ah, I shall post and continue typing if people care)


Let me say at this point I have lots of pictures of the script and stuff, and some audio recording from the session, but we're not going to ask for that because I'd rather my cousin doesn't get fired.

...

So, Bill comes in, starts doing Sam, and we pick up where they left off the day previous (around page 200, of 400 total pages. This folks, is ONE THIRD of the full game),

I am informed that this is isn't for a demo, but just an internal demo for the lucasarts higher-ups. They've pushed to have this get done so the session was pulled together with a still not final script. Mike seems a little miffed about this, but turns out to be a genuinely great guy, total dork, and brilliant writer.

While it was just line for line, some notes on the content of the first part.

-There's a couple mini games - one called "Wasp Darts" another has something to do with bumper cars.

-TONS of hilarious jokes in here, lots of monty python referances, some movie spoofs ("Our couch is like a box of chocolates," Max sputters)

-A "west side story"ish sequence, Max and Sam start their own gang.

-A hostage situation with a series of demands that must be met!

Lots more I forgot probably.

Also, there will be NO "this is a completely unusable thingamabob" line in the game. BLASPHEMY! I request that it's included at least once as a sweet sweet homage, but shut down.

We take a break and I ask Mike about the game graphics. He says they're shying away from the cellshaded graphics and going with a more realistic tone to the game. Still cartoony like the original, but not over the top cell shading.

At which point, he asks me if I saw the first trailer, which of course I have. He pulls up a quicktime on his laptop and tell me "Well, you haven't seen THIS!" and shows me what they're planning to release soon.

It'll be at all the gaming sites soon enough. You'll get a quick taste of the graphics (models used are same as in-game) and Mike himself acts in it.


Some IMDB links
Bill: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0267724/
Nick (max): http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0417068/

...

We keep plodding through the giiiiiant script book (link below) which as I said, is like, a small part of the game. Bill takes two to three attempts at any line, a couple slip him it (It's so brilliant and SO wordy. Fans of the classic are going to dig the hell out of this) Still, there's always one that they like. They run through a page and choose what they like, what they need to be done again. Bill keeps on reading the other parts to himself in a myriad of voices, and laughing his ass off. I could just listen to this guy for hours.

Finally we get to about where they want to be ("Once you've seen one snow level, you've seen 'em all!), and we break for lunch. I remind Bill how great of a human being he is, shake his hand, and quickly ask him if he'll do a voicemail message for me (I'll toss this on MP3, once again, if there's interest because this dial up connection is killing me.)

Lunch is good. I eat. Food.

They all come back and regroup, and wait for Nick (Sam's voice) who shows up prompty. This guy, also total pro. Looks a little like Alan Alda, and is just as friendly as can be. He's done loads of work for LucasArts, and lots of other projects. Most noteably "THE CRITIC," which he bemoans as a great show that met with an early death. I can't disagree.

Mike loads up the original Sam and Max, dinks around for a while, and refreshes Nick's memory on the sound they're looking for. He gets it down pat in a try or two, ("Remind me to give you a copy of the Windows version" Mike says. Nick thanks him and mentions he'll finally have a use for the PC he bought to complement his Mac).

Unlike Bill's cool attitude in the face of adversarial lines ("I can do this better, guys!") Nick's a little more pissed at himself when something slips ("Shit! ****! Ok, sorry guys, let's try this again") and a little more fiesty like Max himself.

A running gag throughout is how Max is lighting everything on fire ("It's a chemically treated fake firelog, just like the pilgims used to use!"). He's a little less snippy this time around, but still some CLASSIC very quotable Max lines in this.



The script for the day.
http://img11.paintedover.com/uploads/11/sm1.jpg

Margarita Mix's INCREDIBLE sound studio (one of 5)
http://img11.paintedover.com/uploads/11/samandmax_2.jpg

So, Nick does a great job, because he's ****ing pro. Like I said.

They get through about 170 pages, more than they thought they'd get out of the already late day (going from around 9 am until 6 pm). It's 5:30 and every couple minutes I have to poke myself and realize the flesh and blood Max is only a couple feet from me. The sound quality in there was just awesome. It was such a treat to hear these fellows really use their voices. So rich, faceted, and they could pull of any variation of accent like nothing.

I say goodbye to Nick (who had a suitcase that looked a little like if a 60's James Bond had kept his 60's suitcare until 2003), stand up and shake his hand, say goodbye to Mike and Will (but not before telling Mike to check out 'Fist Fight' on my site). I get Mike's card and everyone heads off. WHAT A DAY! I am way psyched about this game, which I would probably download otherwise since I am cheap and lazy, but will be buying the **** outta when this comes out! There's just so much content and lines I want to hear again I can't wait. They told me it was TENATIVEly set to drop in Summer 2004 and I, for one, cannot WAIT.

Jesus, I still can't believe SAM asked my what my favorite part of the first game was .......... I love California.



... so if you felt informed by all this, please post, because I had to write a lot on this crappy laptop keyboard.


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quote:
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h_double came out of the closet to say:
Thanks for sharing this. The voice acting in the original Sam & Max is a big part of what made it such a great game, and it's nice to find out a little behind-the-scenes about the sequel.
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I asked Bill if it was a lot different doing the VO this time, and he laughed and told me how the first game was done in some little ghetto room, with him sitting on a cheap wooden stool, and how nice it is to record at an actual studio.

He also talked about how it was weird that Sam and Max both sound a little younger this time around.

Seems like his project is pretty much for-sure going to happen. I wouldn't worry about it going dead, I mean, I can't imagine them wasting a script THAT good.

[Kolzig]

Ummmmm, yeah, ok...

Nice post.

[Mattsius]

Too much text. It would have to be something interesting for me to read that much.

I looked at the pictures though. :shifty:

[DustCropper]

Thanks for posting, Flupp. :) I thought that it was an interesting read; great seeing what the people behind the voices of Sam and Max are like.

Oh, and didn't there used to be some sound clips too?

[Udvarnoky]

I've been wanting to read this again. Great stuff. And the answering machine MP3 clip from Bill Farmer is still on Mixnmojo; search the news post. I know this is a familiar rant that we've all heard a million times, but it's a real shame that we lost this game. Just knowing that all this dialogue was recorded and will never be heard (What if Bill or Nick die or something? Huh? :frusty: ) or that a new trailer was very close to being released just pisses me off all ****ing over again. Oh yeah, and someone should contact that guy and ask that those pictures taken of the script be put online now. I guess those "higher-ups" weren't impressed by the special assembled demo (though I still blame everything on that goddamned Sam & Max survey that LucasArts hosted, thinking that the opinion of LucasArts.com members, mostly Star Wars fanatics, will paint an accurate picture of the adventure gaming public is stupid - and of course I'm going to assume that the survey was the single thing that the game's marketing prospects were judged by).

Hey, the Sam & Max 2 museum is still going to happen, right? I mean, I know the possibility of a new Sam & Max is now more existant thanks to Telltale and the hopeful cooperation of Steve Purcell this May, but we still don't have any more hope of resurrecting Freelance Police than we ever did. Just tell me you guys haven't abandoned the project, it remains as important now as it was when you thought it up.

[HieroHero]

my god that script sounded funny