Is BS3 a pure adventure?

[DanteGR]

Is Broken Sword 3 a pure adventure or does it have action elements in it?
Thanks!

[Kode]

I, personally, haven't followed this game too closely but from what I hear, it does have an action element to it.

[amishler]

It's an adventure game, with a few elements that have been described as... well, I can't remember the exact phrasing the developers have used, but here's the idea:

There will be a few action events (maybe that's what they called them), where you will be required to make a decision and act on it in a limited amount of time. These moments appeared in both previous Broken Sword games, such as in the first game, when

George dives off the cliff to avoid getting shot by the assassin. And very few people would describe BS1 as having action elements. I haven't played it, of course, so I can't give you a definitive answer. But sounds like Broken Sword: The Sleeping Dragon is going to be the same sort of game as the first two, only with an extra dimension and whatever control tweaks that brings with it. If you've played the first two (and if you haven't, get on it, man!), you should have a pretty good idea of the gameplay in this one.

Also, AG has a good preview (http://www.adventuregamers.com/display.php?id=260) that should go a long way towards answering your genre orientation question.

[remixor]

If you considered BS1 and 2 pure adventure games, you should consider BS3 a pure adventure games. The action sequences have the same amount of action.

[Kode]

Ah, but one thing to note (not that it deters in any way from this being an adventure game) is that the game employs the use of direct control.
Just thought I'd express that, because it seems to anger a few adventure game enthusiasts.

If you already knew this. Consider my "oops" already said. *D

[remixor]

Well, yes, but so did Grim Fandango and I can't imagine anyone would dream of even hinting that GF is anything but a pure adventure. Besides, the original question was essentially asking whether BS3 has action elements, or whether it's a pure adventure, and my point is that it has/is both.

[Kode]

Well, yes, but so did Grim Fandango and I can't imagine anyone would dream of even hinting that GF is anything but a pure adventure.
I agree. And I am quite sure this game will be pure adventure too. Just mentioned it because it seems to deter some people, for example, the Inventory's writers (I was just in there reading about it)...

I wonder what he thinks about Grim Fandango...

[remixor]

the Inventory's writers

:rolleyes:

[Wajus]

Is Broken Sword 3 a pure adventure or does it have action elements in it?
Thanks!

We shall see, won't we?

But seriously though. BS3 will have action elements but at the same time it will remain 100% pure adventure game. No, really!
There will be aforementioned action events. They are going to be for you like a mix of adventure game and adventure movie. You make decisions and watch effects of those on your screen. The interface will remain consistent with adventure spirit.

So BS3 will be pure adventure game but it will not be a classic one.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Okay okay, let's get this moronic thing cleared up once and for all. BS3 will not force you to do action crap anything! Remember the Grippler scene in The Longest Journey, where you had to figure out how to escape from that butt-ugly thang or end up being eaten? Same thing, okay? Same thing. They didn't make you perform the action itself, they simply had you decide what action to perform (no matter how simplistic). The idea was make your heart race from the suspense without forcing you to be directly or 'physically' involved in the action, but instead having you 'cerebrally' needed to solve it.

[DanteGR]

Ok.
I got the point.
Thanks everybody!
And who changed the subject of my topic????? :P

[nordic_guy]

Okay okay, let's get this moronic thing cleared up once and for all. BS3 will not force you to do action crap anything! Remember the Grippler scene in The Longest Journey, where you had to figure out how to escape from that butt-ugly thang or end up being eaten? Same thing, okay? Same thing. They didn't make you perform the action itself, they simply had you decide what action to perform (no matter how simplistic). The idea was make your heart race from the suspense without forcing you to be directly or 'physically' involved in the action, but instead having you 'cerebrally' needed to solve it.
You are forgetting that in BS3(as with the other two) you will die if you do not perform this action within a limited period of time. Kind of like in Full Throttle.
But BS3 is still a pure adventure game.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Death is non-inclusive to Dante's original question:

Is Broken Sword 3 a pure adventure or does it have action elements in it?

What significance does death have to do with it being a 'pure' adventure game? I don't get your point, if you're trying to make one.

[nordic_guy]

Just being informative.
I think the possibility of dying in a puzzle makes a big difference. I have heard some people call that action. :confused:
We do not have to make a point all the time, do we?

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Yes we do, darling :D . If not, we won't be taken seriously.

Anyway, the point is that BS3's 'action' sequences will consist of demanding quick reflexes of the player's mind, not his fingers.

[nordic_guy]

Yes we do, darling :D . If not, we won't be taken seriously.
Well then you obviously didn't get mine ;)
Oh, well enough of this. I think you know what I'm saying.

[Wajus]

Yes we do, darling :D . If not, we won't be taken seriously.

Anyway, the point is that BS3's 'action' sequences will consist of demanding quick reflexes of the player's mind, not his fingers.

Just as Charles Cecil said:

"The direct control interface has allowed us to introduce a much more diverse range of gameplay, from the traditional investigative adventure gameplay to exploration and (cerebral) action events. The game is unique in the way that it plays – it is not an action adventure, nor is it a traditional adventure. It’s a totally new mix of adventure, exploration, stealth and combat. The Sleeping Dragon is still primarily cerebral in its gameplay."

and as for dying:

"Yes, a character can die but will not be punished unduly. However, the player can only die at the climax of a scene – not by stepping off a ledge by mistake. This is not an action/adventure interface. "

[Kolzig]

One of my local tv-programs showed some video of BS3 last saturday.

I just had to tell you this, my friend said some funny things about the BS3 video.

"It looks like Tomb Raider..."

"I hope it plays better than Tomb Raider"


The characters look great, hope everything goes well.

Still two months to go eh? :)

[theneb]

http://www.revgames.com/temp_pics/revfront.jpg
http://www.revgames.com/temp_pics/revbak.jpg
:pan: New logo.

[DomStLeger]

Great! Everyone will think it's a tomb raider game, and buy it. That means we'll get at least 1 more rev adventure before people cotton on; and if it's good many more.

[tabacco]

Yes, there are timed elements. But they require you to do the exact same thing you would normally do in any adventure game, only with a time limit because somebody is holding a gun on your or whatever. There are no puzzles where you have to jump from platform to platform, you don't need to aim anything at anyone, or do anything else that requires quick reflexes. Even if you do die during one of the timed sequences, you'll just pop back to the beginning of the sequence and keep trying til you get it right. It's exactly like Full Throttle.

This is NOT Tomb Raider!

[Wajus]

I don't think we should try to compare BS3 to anything. Be it Tomb Raider or Full Throttle. My guess is it will be a very unique game - unlike anything we have seen so far. I hope it will also be something very good and playable.

[Kode]

And who changed the subject of my topic????? :P
Probably a mod. (http://www.adventuregamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163) ;)

[James]

for all intents and purposes, in both reported press and from rev themselves, I am confident that bs3 will be a proper adventure game, though what i believe one to be has differed from the more traditionally, consevative minded.

[Tanukitsune]

It probably will be a pure adventure, most the elements described are common is several adventure games....
In KQI you had a jump and duck button, if memory serves me well, Hopkins FBI has lots of shooting, even a Doom mini clone, and timed events have existed since the IF era... In the the 1st Indiana game you fought LOTS of nazis!
So... Unless Stobbart has an Uzi and spends 90% of the game fr4gg1ng bad guys, it should be an adventure...http://mysmilies.creativesell.net/kao/otn/plaugh4.gif

[Henke]

Am I the only one who thinks it's most important to play a good game? What you should label it as is the last thing I care about.


So... Unless Stobbart has an Uzi and spends 90% of the game fr4gg1ng bad guys, it should be an adventure...http://mysmilies.creativesell.net/kao/otn/plaugh4.gif

If you replace "adventure" with "good game" in that sentence then that's my point exactly. :D

[Wajus]

Fortunately there will be no guns for protagonists to fire from. Just like there are no in MacGyver :D

[remixor]

http://www.revgames.com/temp_pics/revfront.jpg
http://www.revgames.com/temp_pics/revbak.jpg
:pan: New logo.

Bwhahaha, George looks totally stoned. I also much prefer the old logo. Both of those points are irrelevent, however. This game will rule.

[tabacco]

Bwhahaha, George looks totally stoned. I also much prefer the old logo. Both of those points are irrelevent, however. This game will rule.

:D

Yes. Yes it will :)

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Fanbois!!

http://www.smilies.okipages.com/s/contrib/sarge/Blurp_anim.gif

[remixor]

Fanbois!!

http://www.smilies.okipages.com/s/contrib/sarge/Blurp_anim.gif

Hey man, I said I didn't like their new logo!

[tabacco]

And I've actually played part of it, so I have even more right to be ultra-excited ;)

[Tamara]

Bwhahaha, George looks totally stoned.
lol, you're right

[Gabe]

don't think so but it's pure joy!

[James]

george: dude, what's a sleeping dragon?

[peb]

I'm hoping this one has lots of action. And different types of weapons to kill people. And Nico is scantily-clad. And lots of skill points. And tennis.

[remixor]

lol, you're right

It amazes me that nobody noticed this and changed it by the time the poster went to print. I see stuff like this all the time and I always find it amusing. Out of the tons of screenshots and trailers they've released, they ended up with THIS picture?? Brilliant :D

[Tamara]

maybe that's part of George's new image. :devil: Come to think of it, he's always been pretty laid-back .......



:D

[Henke]

maybe that's part of George's new image. :devil: Come to think of it, he's always been pretty laid-back .......



:D

Didn't you know? George is a real junkie. :7 :shifty:

[twifkak]

Yeah!
http://www.quandaryland.com/1996/pix1996/broken_sword.jpg
It looks like he's on an acid trip!

[Zanthia]

BS3: you r a nurse following a druggie who believes that he must save a world killing a dragon befor it wakes up. :D

[Intrepid Homoludens]

....and is eaten by a grue.

[DomStLeger]

Indiana Jones and the temple of Drugs

[Tanukitsune]

The Secret of Junkie Island?http://216.40.249.192/s/cwm/3dlil/eek13.gif

[twifkak]

Mystery of the Hallucinogenic Fluids.... :eek:

[Kolzig]

I saw the local games program again, now i got a closer look on the gameplay video of BS3.

So, the game has ledge hanging, supposed it's going to be something not-Tomb Raider like (sorry again for bringing that game up) where you can drop and die if you are not fast enough. Don't know about that though...
At least I hope it isn't going to be like that.

And there was something Alone In The Dark like, the video was about controlling Nico, and she was also hanging from balcony railings, moved as fast as monkey in a jungle from balcony to another. Then when she went to a balcony door, in the middle of the door started a bright dot or star shine.

So one can see if some object is usable, not a crate or something like that, but a door or a spoon or blaa...
Just like in Alone In The Dark games

It was an interesting video, the motion control was quite fluid.

And the previewer who was telling about the game said that the game had some very high end graphics. But we can already see that from the various screenshots released couple of days ago, and earlier.

[remixor]

Why is there still so much discussion about this? BS3 is a pure adventure game. It has nothing to do with Tomb Raider. There are action sequences that can kill the player (like in BS1 and BS3), but can also be performed multiple times with varying degrees of difficulty as the player tries again and again. There are context-sensitive buttons to replace a standard point-and-click interface. Tada!

[twifkak]

And Quick-Time Events, to steal Yuzuki terminology.

[Wajus]

I saw the local games program again, now i got a closer look on the gameplay video of BS3.

So, the game has ledge hanging, supposed it's going to be something not-Tomb Raider like (sorry again for bringing that game up) where you can drop and die if you are not fast enough. Don't know about that though...
At least I hope it isn't going to be like that.


It's always funny how people DON"T actually read previous posts before joining discussion. I've already mentioned that:

"Yes, a character can die but will not be punished unduly. However, the player can only die at the climax of a scene – not by stepping off a ledge by mistake. This is not an action/adventure interface. "
Mind you this wasn't my opinion you ignored but a quote from my interview with Charles Cecil himself :D

[Kolzig]

Ok, sooooorrryyyy! :\

I had just watched the video when I wrote that.

I was just excited.

*didn't have time to look at the facts that where around me.*

Me :pan:


Just wanted to say what I saw from that video.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

:pan:
:crazy:
Kolzig

Everyone join in! :D

Yeah, comon sense allows that you do not die during stupid moments in BS3.

[Zanthia]

stupid moments= stupid action sequences?

[remixor]

No. Stupid moments = falling off cliffs, walking into a stream, etc. In other words 99% of the ways you could die in Sierra games.

[pleto4_ryan]

Is BS3 a pure adventure?

Yep...

:shifty: what?

[twifkak]

Yep...

:shifty: what?
*dun dun dunnnn*

[Zanthia]

No. Stupid moments = falling off cliffs, walking into a stream, etc. In other words 99% of the ways you could die in Sierra games.

thats why I prefere LA games.

[Crunchy in milk]

Pure adventure or not, I just want to know if it will be here in 4 days time.

[Zanthia]

4.6 and no quicker. :D