Callahan's Crosstime Saloon

[Jadefalcon]

I got hold of of this game from Ebay, and is there any way to get it to run on Vista.

I tried Dosbox, but I'll be honest, the damned thing confuses me as It's been that long since I touched DOS. Just starting the CCS.exe gets me a message that it won't run in fullscreen.

[Collector]

CCS is a DOS game. DOSBox is really the only way to go. Try a frontend.

[Jadefalcon]

To be honest, I wonder if this game is really legal. The disk came with a number of other games, and it has a label on the back of the CD case from a company called www.butterfly-media.co.uk

I haven't left feedback for the seller as I'm not even sure this is legit. If not, I might just try and get my money back, or report him to Ebay.

I tried looking at Dosbox, and It's maybe just me, but I can't seem to go back to the command line interface, so I can't even get it working.

I have a Dell PC with no floppy drive, there's the C: drive, a D: partition, an E: drive for my DVD-writer, and F, G, H, I drives for memory cards, as well as four front USB ports which can also act as drives.

[Collector]

Butterfly-media is a warez company. There has been a warning about the company on the ScummVM forum for sometime. As for help with DOSBox, see the 60 second guide to getting your game to run in DOSBox (http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=8933) or download a frontend for DOSBox (http://frontends.dosbox.com/wiki/Main_Page).

[Jadefalcon]

To be honest, I'm more inclined not to bother, thanks for the help. I do not buy pirated software, at least not intentionally. For instance, I've seen the usual dodges on Ebay with games from the Far East saying they come in a jewel case with a sticker with the code (that to me rings alarm bells). I wonder whether I should try and get a refund from the seller, he doesn't outright say they are pirated games and is instead rather ambigious. There is a pic of the CCS box and it states that the artwork will vary.

However, I've seen US box art vary from UK, and sometimes even budget reissues have differing box art.

[Jadefalcon]

Hmm...I contacted the seller and he says the software is original and is fully licenced which I don't particularly believe. Any way of proving this, as I don't want to take it to a dispute and end up with egg on my face?

[Collector]

Notifying ESA might be a more effective route. BTW, sellers on eBay can no longer leave negative feed back.

[Jadefalcon]

What exactly is the ESA, apart from the European Space Agency that is? :)

The main thing putting me off the paypal dispute is proof. I wouldn't imagine this disc is legal, due to the messages on the disc which I brought up on the ScummVM forums. I'm pretty sure its not legit, but do I need outright proof or would Ebay check it out and find out. Regarding Callahans there's no way of asking the software company as they don't exist, and I don't know if anyone bought them over or they just disappeared.

[Collector]

Entertainment Software Association

[Jadefalcon]

I guess this is their website?

http://www.europeansoftware.org/

Doesn't sound related to what might be needed if you ask me, but I may be wrong. Regardless, should I just open a Paypal dispute since the seller obviously claims everything is legit. The games as far as I know are all of American origin, most of the companies no longer even exist.

[Collector]

http://www.theesa.com/

[Jadefalcon]

No response from them, but one from the seller. Surprise, he denied a refund citing this as a reply.

"a rip refures to coppying a game wich is older and has expired licence laws.

this means it then becomes freeware for anyone to sell or download.

all software is legal please visit my shop were a page there will inform you off all software terms.

From Seller - movies and much more

27/10/2008 07:32 GMT

software terms are

Commercial Software

Commercial Software is that that has a copyright and/or been released by a publisher in the last ten years or so into the mainstream market. Most publishers after this time generally make their wares available free, but this is not always the case. the general route and life expectancy of a commercial release is as follows:

Year 1: Full Price, Full Packaging

Year 2: Release as a Budget title, sometimes with limitations with minimal packaging.

Year 3: Rereleased at a potentially lower price.

Year 5-9: Discontinued Item

Year10+: Maybe placed into the Public Domain for free use.

Shareware

Shareware is software that has limitations built in, such as not being able to save etc. this is overcome by paying the author a small fee. Copyrighted software that is available free of charge on a trial basis, usually with the condition that users pay a fee for continued use and support.

Freeware

Freeware software is completely free, you can download it from the net or for a minimal fee you can purchase it on CD from many sources.

Licenseware

This is a concept thought up way back in AMIGA days. It is generally used for smaller publishers where they licence a game or piece of software at the cost of a small royalty for every sale they make.

Public Domain Software (PD)

Another "AMIGA" concept. Basically this is freeware that has no copyright and the author has no control over distribution or limitations of the distribution. A software title or game can be downloaded for free or sold on CD for whatever the "publisher" feels it's value is worth.

Abandonware

This is a reletively new concept, and relies on Commercial Publishers placing their old games or software into the Public Domain.

Charityware / Careware

Generally this is software that has been dumped by it's owner or publisher and is used to raise money for worthy causes as the publisher is not required to pay any royalties on each sale."

This is a load of horse crap, as even the infamous HOTU site claims that abandonware is not legal and mentions a 95 year copyright. I've informed him of that, if he still refuses, I'm escalating the claim.

[Dale Baldwin]

All I can say is good luck, they are indeed spouting horse crap. :)

[Collector]

Somebody needs to bust this guy big time. I wonder if he is distributing any Lucas Arts games. LA is known to go after people for doing far less.

[Melanie68]

All I can say is good luck, they are indeed spouting horse crap. :)

You said that far too kindly, Dale. :P