Leisure Suit Larry 8 without Al Lowe? [Archive]

Tanukitsune

09-21-2003, 08:36 PM

Their problem is that they want to make as much money as possible without much effort - just with changing the textures and adding new levels and weapons. Sadly, this is the truth.
So true.... :frown:
Since most of us will buy it anyway, why bother making it with Al?
I hope they at least use the same guy for the voice of Larry...
You really nailed the main problem of today's gaming world...
They only care about the money, not the quality, there is always somebody who buys the game, because they are a fan of the genre/title/company, not beacuse its good... :sad:
The living proof is those Army Men games, does anybody know someone who actually buys those games? I asked the owner of the game store I go to and he said "NO!", but there may be hope since 3DO went bankrupt...
Back to Larry, does anybody know if the game will continue where they left it? :confused:

remixor

09-21-2003, 09:14 PM

I signed this a while ago, but honestly I can't imagine it's going to help much. Is LSL8 even still in production?

Reaper

09-22-2003, 02:17 AM

Hi guys,

I noticed that on PANVision's release list(a nordic importing company, imports Sierra games e.g.) is a Leisure Suit Larry named game. No number 8 with the name though.

There's not much info on their site, except only that it's a 2004 release and the platforms it's being developed for are PC, PS2 and Xbox. Could this be the awaited Leisure suit Larry 8 game? Does anyone have any more info on this? :)

I wonder how what the game is going to be like, as it's being developed also for consoles...

mastert

09-22-2003, 11:41 AM

Basically the word started on Al Lowe's msg board. Various people emailed sierra about it (including me) and some got responses back. I was one of them...no i don't have the message still but I'll tell you basically what it said. They said that nothing was concrete but there was definite word and speculation into making another Larry game. Of course I'm sure they couldn't give me any more information than that even if they were in the middle of production. Al Lowe said that he has no knowledge of another Larry game if Sierra is indeed making one. But whether they are in the middle of it or planning on making one, Al would have been contacted if they had plans to include him in the design. So this petition is to tell Sierra that we want Al in charge of it, if they are going to make one. I don't know how much effect petitions actually have but it cant hurt.

Is there anywhere on the net that I can see the panvision list?

jannar85

09-22-2003, 05:49 PM

Signed.

So true.... :frown:
Since most of us will buy it anyway, why bother making it with Al?

I won't buy it if it's not Lowe's work.
Show your support to Al, don't buy it if it's not made by him ;)

Reaper

09-22-2003, 07:57 PM

Is there anywhere on the net that I can see the panvision list?

Yeah sure, here's a link to it: http://www.panvision.com/o.o.i.s/440
The page is in finnish, but just select the platform(PC,Xbox or PS2) from the dropdown menu on the left and then scroll down to find the LSL title from the release list. :)

Mattsius

09-23-2003, 01:16 AM

Yeah sure, here's a link to it: http://www.panvision.com/o.o.i.s/440
The page is in finnish, but just select the platform(PC,Xbox or PS2) from the dropdown menu on the left and then scroll down to find the LSL title from the release list. :)
Not much info to be find at the site. My guess is that it's just another mistake, like the ones Amazon often does.

DomStLeger

09-23-2003, 02:07 AM

Signed.

I won't buy it if it's not Lowe's work.
Show your support to Al, don't buy it if it's not made by him ;)

Same here, on principal. If the new LSL game is an AG I'm sure their PR people have been watching the adventure forums. So this might kill of LSL8. Personally, if it isn't done with Al Lowe then I'm in favour of that, because I don't like being treated like a cow; just there to be milked (especially after the treatment of the last few years).

Kolzig

09-23-2003, 04:08 AM

Larry just isn't Larry if the man who has created it doesn't have anything to do with the new game.

And speaking "Sierra", really known as Vivendi Universal, that surely is a crappy firm, when you look at for example what they've done with their Tolkien book to game licenses.

Hobbit :(
War of the rings :r

DomStLeger

09-23-2003, 08:55 AM

Hobbit :(
War of the rings :r

Totally agree! What a waste of an amazing license.

mastert

10-19-2003, 04:56 PM

http://www.computergamesonline.com/images/cgm/157cover.jpg

remixor

10-19-2003, 05:01 PM

I admit that scan surprises me a great deal.

Kingzjester

10-19-2003, 05:18 PM

What pity! The apogee of fine taste that is Leisure Suit Larry will be spoiled thoroughly in the nameless hands of someone nameless!

Kolzig

10-19-2003, 07:43 PM

Hmm, I wonder who the creator is?

Are they going to keep it as a secret and reveil the matter when the game comes to shops.

remixor

10-19-2003, 08:09 PM

http://www.computergamesonline.com/cgm/200312-m1.html

From Evan's news update on the front page

Mattsius

10-19-2003, 08:52 PM

http://amy.dsl.abo.fi:8080/tas/larry_cover.jpg
This is indeed interesting! Sources had told me earlier that this Computer Games Magazine cover would in fact feature the next Leisure Suit Larry game and I guess my sources were correct! Indeed great news!

I would say that a college is a great place for a Larry game, with the girls and such, if you do it correctly that is.
Let's start speculating when in the Larry timeline "Magna Cum Laude" will play out, shall we? My guess would be that "MCL" will play out after Love for Sail (Larry 7), which would mean that Larry will go back to college after many years. Maybe he didn't graduate from college in the first place or maybe he's just running after girls/woman as usual.

syntheticgerbil

10-19-2003, 09:40 PM

Larry is supposed to be in space right now is he not?

Hah, come on Kingzjester, as saracastic as I found that to be... it's Al Lowe, a humble old dirty man. Of course everyone would want him to produce the new game.

Hiro Protagonist

10-20-2003, 05:03 PM

Apparently Gamespot is mentioning AG from the news link on their front page and linking to AG inside the article.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/puzzle/leisuresuitlarryscasino/news_6077062.html

I wondered why I was having trouble getting on here all day...

I for one can't wait for a new Larry...it's been way too long since we had a new game, although I am disappointed about Al not being involved. To me he was the dirty heart behind the series. But even if it's not the same man behind it, and even if it's not as good as classic Larry, it's still a LSL game and that's good enough for me.

amishler

10-20-2003, 05:33 PM

Even more than Gamespot, the probable reason the site was down is that it was mentioned on Slashdot (or /., as the kids are calling it these days) (http://games.slashdot.org/games/03/10/20/182217.shtml?tid=127&tid=186&tid=202&tid=206). The Gamespot article mentioned that the site was sluggish, so something was already causing the lag; they probably saw it on /. as well. Apparently a new Larry game is big news throughout geekdom.

remixor

10-20-2003, 05:43 PM

And Slashdot themselves got it from Blues News, which also links to AG.com. It's kind of stupid that Slashdot's post sounds as if Blues News actually got the story, when they say up front it was AG. Anyway, this should be good for AG no matter what. Good job, Evan.

Dalixam

10-20-2003, 08:14 PM

So that was why the entire network died last night, AGS experienced the Slashdot effect :) Anyway, LSL is the only Sierra adventures I ever cared for, LSL 7 is a stroke of pure genious. I am excited that LSL 8 is on the way, but of course a little sad that it's without Al Lowe. It might be good though, we'll have to wait and see.

To those who won't buy the game because Al Lowe has nothing to do with it; You're not supporting him, you just might help put another nail in the Sierra adventure coffin. Al Love gains nothing from it.

Naveed

10-20-2003, 08:14 PM

What if Larry have to fight through the zombies that have taken over the college and win the babes! :devil:

Jake

10-20-2003, 08:22 PM

For the record, the downtime probably came from the link on Fark (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=691832), not Gamespot. Well, probably Fark, Gamespot, Slashdot, and Blues combined, really.

syntheticgerbil

10-21-2003, 12:10 AM

But not Somethingawful!

mycroft

10-21-2003, 12:17 AM

im all for having al on the new game..but are petitions the way to go...?
mention one case where a petition actually made a difference...at least i don't know of one...
there was/is a petition to make a gabriel knight 4 and look what it has acheived...

if the suits down at sierra don't want/can't afford al on the new game then i fear there is nothing we can do...unfortunately this is the bitter truth...but what makes me more worried is... 'grand theft auto' style gameplay..?? :eek:

ive signed the petition by the way.. :D

mycroft

Tanukitsune

10-21-2003, 12:28 AM

But not Somethingawful!
Heh, its probally this weeks Photoshop Phriday... :P
But I still don't like the idea of Larry not being in space but in a college/univesity... Maybe its a university in another planet? :confused:
And what the H is Larry doing there? Getting a diploma? Maybe he wants to be sexologist? Or maybe he is there to "teach" the girls?
That cowgirl is a little too well endowed... (Is she related to Red Monika, or does she work in a anime series?) bad mojo man... wait a minute!!!!
OH NO!!! ITS GOING TO BE PORKY'S THE ADVENTURE GAME!!!! :crazy:
No! I sure hope I'm wrong!
I don't think Larry was a beer drinker before either...
Oh deary me... I hope that at least the use the voice they used in LSL 7....
DOH! I live in Spain I bet they use spanish voices! :frusty:
I hope the give more info soon!

remixor

10-21-2003, 12:36 AM

mention one case where a petition actually made a difference...at least i don't know of one...

My stupid state and our stupid recall election. Stupid.

DomStLeger

10-21-2003, 12:36 AM

To those who won't buy the game because Al Lowe has nothing to do with it; You're not supporting him, you just might help put another nail in the Sierra adventure coffin. Al Love gains nothing from it.

Dal, their adventure coffin was buried a long time ago, nails are no longer required. People make a company, and I doubt any one in sierra is from the Adventure period considering they closed Yosemite studios a long time ago. So to me Sierra is dead, this is just some other company cashing in on other peoples work.

Sierra has treated adventure fans like sh~t, so i for one will not be buying this game on principle. And I won't be changing from that stance even if the game is the best adventure ever made (though I doubt it will be an adventure, or for that matter very good).

Mattsius

10-21-2003, 12:46 AM

My stupid state and our stupid recall election. Stupid.
Good point! :D

remixor

10-21-2003, 12:51 AM

Perhaps I missed something, but what's all this "Larry in space" business? :confused:

Garyos

10-21-2003, 12:59 AM

Perhaps I missed something, but what's all this "Larry in space" business? :confused:

He got abducted by aliens at the end of LSL7... And we were told to wait eagerly for the next game, called "Lust in Space".

Mattsius

10-21-2003, 12:59 AM

You might want to check out the Message Board at LarryLives.com (http://www.larrylives.com), because Adam Kahn, Sr. PR Manager at Vivendi Universal Games, has posted a little message over there.

And for those of you to lazy to look it up, here's a ...those expecting us to go back to the way gaming was in the mid-90s are going to be disappointed. We're not interested in making adventure games anymore. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing really depends on who you are.

...keep an open mind...

Tanukitsune

10-21-2003, 01:08 AM

Sierra has treated adventure fans like sh~t, so i for one will not be buying this game on principle. And I won't be changing from that stance even if the game is the best adventure ever made (though I doubt it will be an adventure, or for that matter very good).
Don't 99.99% of game companies treat us that way now? :shifty:

remixor

10-21-2003, 01:11 AM

Thanks for the tip, Mattsius.

We're not interested in making adventure games anymore.

Well, assuming that was indeed Adam Kahn, that should put to rest a lot of questions...

And Tanukitsune: No, Sierra is rather exceptional in the shitty way they've treated their adventure fans. If 99.99% of companies disenfranchised entire demographics like Sierra had, I think they'd all sell a lot fewer games.

Tanukitsune

10-21-2003, 02:18 AM

Thanks for the tip, Mattsius.

Well, assuming that was indeed Adam Kahn, that should put to rest a lot of questions...

And Tanukitsune: No, Sierra is rather exceptional in the shitty way they've treated their adventure fans. If 99.99% of companies disenfranchised entire demographics like Sierra had, I think they'd all sell a lot fewer games.
Ok, but IMHO, I think most companies are treating us worst than before, maybe not as bad as Sierra, but still not very good....
Some companies still care for the gamers and not the money... I hope....
But seriously this game is giving more bad vibes than Full Throttle II...

Kolzig

10-21-2003, 03:50 AM

Crappies game ever award is ready and waiting for Larry 8. :r

Don't like, don't like it at all.

twifkak

10-21-2003, 04:22 AM

Apparently a new Larry game is big news throughout geekdom.
video game + substitute for sex = duh?!

(and yay, agers!)

DomStLeger

10-21-2003, 04:24 AM

Don't 99.99% of game companies treat us that way now? :shifty:

I don't buy 99.9% of games. :shifty: (and what remixor said)

Anyway, I was right about it not being an adventure. Who wants to go double or nothing on me being right on it not being very good :D

remixor

10-21-2003, 11:29 AM

I don't buy 99.9% of games. :shifty: (and what remixor said)

Anyway, I was right about it not being an adventure. Who wants to go double or nothing on me being right on it not being very good :D

...and bombing horribly

MrMongoose

10-21-2003, 12:46 PM

Hey all... there is definately a LOT going on. Over at LarryLives we've had all kinds of new information coming in since the newsletter about the new cover went out on Saturday... not all of it extremely promising. For anyone following the story, here's what we've got so far.

Obviously the CGM article has come out, with some new information. A few weeks ago we confirmed that the new game was in production and planned for release in late 2004 for PC, PS2, and XBox - but the folks at Sierra (and other industry sources) were EXTREMELY tight-lipped about any details. The CGM cover has provided a good idea of what the setting will be, and the title of the new game.

The article is being written by Al Lowe friend and LSL vetran Josh Mandel, with a sidebar article from Al Lowe himself (so expect a good, objective view).

Right now the big nut we're trying to crack is the style and feel of the game. Previous quotes from Adam Kahn in response to our questions have firmly stated that they (Sierra) are not interested in making video games that play like the Classic adventure games of the past. We weren't sure how big of a change Sierra had planned... but Adam raised the bar quite a bit in a couple of posts he has added to the LL message board. His first message seemed to indicate that they weren't interested in doing ANY sort of Adventure game. I asked him to clarify this position, and got a (slightly) more optimistic response, in which he said:

"we're not interested in creating adventure games that I think most old-school, hardcore, adventure game fans think they want"

and went on to promise nothing less than "a revolution".

This invokes both deep concern and strong curiosity and excitement from me, personally. While my preference would always be to keep the Larry games exactly as they were, it is possible that this could still be a quality game (or an utter piece of crap). Without more information, it is impossible to judge - which is why we're continuing to try to dig up as many details and publish them as soon as possible. For now, let's just try to keep our hopes up - whatever it they are doing, it will probably be different than what most of us expect.

Worst case scenario, we'll know on Nov. 11th!

-Mongoose
(LarryLives.com webmaster)

bpfinsa

10-21-2003, 04:43 PM

I asked him to clarify this position, and got a (slightly) more optimistic response, in which he said:

"we're not interested in creating adventure games that I think most old-school, hardcore, adventure game fans think they want"

Ugh. I feel 50 years older just reading that quote. But whether he knows what I want to play or not is yet to be determined. Unfortunately, Sierra hasn't had a good track record in that area in recent years.

Not quite the quote many adventure revivialists have been looking forward to with the revival of the old Sierra adventure franchises, but I'll pass judgment until it's release. Keep posting those leaks here!

--BPF

Stinger

10-21-2003, 05:40 PM

I gave up long ago trying to get people to not Hate the Game. But for the love of all that is holy, can we get enough synapses firing to not say things like how we've "reserved the crappiest game ever award" based on NOTHING MORE THAN A LEAKED SCAN OF A MAGAZINE COVER?

And, for those not as interested in reading Adam Kahn's comments as they are in convincing themselves what he meant to say, Adam's only intention was to tell people that LSL8 is not being made with SCI, and there likely won't be a bar of icons that pops up when you move your mouse to the top of the screen. He did NOT, at ANY point, say that this game would not be a pure adventure game. If anything, he said Vivendi is going to attempt to reinvent the adventure game. AND THAT IS A GOOD THING. Show me someone complaining about a company trying, at least trying, to do something new with adventures, and I'll show you a PHONY adventure fan.

CAN WE PLEASE WAIT FOR THE GAME TO BE OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED BEFORE WE DECIDE IT IS THE UNWANTED RED-HEADED BASTARD STEPCHILD OF DAIKATANA.

Trep, you got my back, right? Jake? Tell me there's still some level-headed people out there who AREN'T trying to sabotage our genre.

- Evan

Jake

10-21-2003, 05:43 PM

TRUE. Evan tells it like it is.

Or something.

I agree wholeheartedly.

We have one piece of concept art (it might not even be that!), and a quote from a public relations person... a quote that really could be a promising one at that! What on earth are people doing preemptively crapping on the game. Just like everyone else here, the amount of times a potentially good game has turned out to be a turd has left me a little bit burned, but this is a big-name franchise whose mere mention has drawn a lot of attention from gamers across the Net, and has gotten a lot of old schoolers out of hiding. Poo pooing it after one piece of art and a press quote is just dumb.

tabacco

10-21-2003, 06:18 PM

Ah, well, I think it'll suck. But then again, I never much cared for LSL at all :)

peb

10-21-2003, 08:02 PM

Tell me there's still some level-headed people out there who AREN'T trying to sabotage our genre.

- Evan

I hardly think being suspicious of Sierra is "sabotage" of the adventure genre. The Sierra of today really has no relation to the adventure-game-producing Sierra of yesterday. I think most adventure fans familiar with recent history have a right to be suspicious no matter what marketing-speak Adam Kahn spouts (A revolution? C'mon). If you're happy about a new LSL in production, fine, but I don't really care about it. If that makes me a saboteur, then I'll take that title because it sounds cool.

Erwin_Br

10-21-2003, 08:37 PM

I gave up long ago trying to get people to not Hate the Game.

It's the nature of the 'fan'. I'm afraid you can't change it without doing some advanced gene manipulation.

And, for those not as interested in reading Adam Kahn's comments as they are in convincing themselves what he meant to say, Adam's only intention was to tell people that LSL8 is not being made with SCI, and there likely won't be a bar of icons that pops up when you move your mouse to the top of the screen. He did NOT, at ANY point, say that this game would not be a pure adventure game. If anything, he said Vivendi is going to attempt to reinvent the adventure game. AND THAT IS A GOOD THING.

I agree! This *could* be pretty exciting.

Show me someone complaining about a company trying, at least trying, to do something new with adventures, and I'll show you a PHONY adventure fan.

You mean a bitter fan. I'm not the biggest Sierra fan, so I can't relate to the feelings of old Sierra players but I guess some of them really HATE the company.

--Erwin

ragnar

10-21-2003, 09:13 PM

and went on to promise nothing less than "a revolution".

Is every game coming out going to be a revolution? There is soon nothing meaningful left in that word.

Marek

10-21-2003, 11:32 PM

The concept could, in theory, be really awesome. i.e. take the best an LSL classic adventure has to offer, skillfully tack on some free-roaming gameplay (picking up girls!), and you've got a potential winner. There's nothing inherently wrong about anything we've heard. In fact, it sounds pretty cool.

However, the "LSL meets GTA" idea might have just been thought up by a lazy executive, and some hopelessly undertalented designer will mess it all up. It's a strong possibility given Sierra's less-than-ideal reputation in past years.

Right now, though, we don't have ANY way of telling if this game will be any good. So I think I'll join Stinger's little band of 'level headed people'. :7

AGA

10-21-2003, 11:38 PM

I'm a huge LSL fan (I even bought LSL Casino when I didn't really wanna play it) and I've got nothing but good hopes for this game. I'm not gonna automatically say 'it's not as good as an Al Lowe product would have been). Obviously it's gonna be different from an Al Lowe game, but it could exceed all our expectations. I'm gonna wait 'til I have the game in my CD drive before I make any judgements.

DomStLeger

10-22-2003, 01:17 AM

The GTA meets LSL or any of what we've heard so far is not why I personally am not too favourable about this game. (infact some of the ideas actually sound quite good) But I basically see it as a cash in and so will not buy it on principle.

Good/bad? I don't know. It may well be better than Al Lowe's take on a new LSl, who knows. (though I'd prefer an Al Lowe game out of personal taste) But I refuse to hand any money over to a company that treats it's fans the way Sierra has. The way I see it Sierra has run rough shod over the adventure community. Now they've apparently decided Larry is actually quite popular after all, so lets make a quick buck. No thanks. It's not "I already hate the game" for me, it's "I hate the company".

The only way I'd ever change my opinion is if Sierra make some sort of reparations for the past, perhaps by making all the ags they no longer sell Freeware. But it ain't going to happen, and one lone adventurers opinion probably matters not.

Anyway this will be my last word on LSL8, because I don't want to put a downer on the game for those who will be following it and want to play it.

remixor

10-22-2003, 01:22 AM

I feel pretty much the same was as Dom does, as far as the whole Sierra/LSL thing goes.

Erwin_Br

10-22-2003, 01:27 AM

The GTA meets LSL or any of what we've heard so far is not why I personally am not too favourable about this game. (infact some of the ideas actually sound quite good) But I basically see it as a cash in and so will not buy it on principle.

I'm glad I don't have any principles :D

I've thrown them all out the window. You should try it once. It's so relaxing! :devil:

--Erwin

Tom_K

10-22-2003, 02:20 AM

I'm glad I don't have any principles :D

I've thrown them all out the window. You should try it once. It's so relaxing! :devil:

--Erwin
So that's what that pile of stuff is outside my window!

MrMongoose

10-22-2003, 03:34 AM

Just a quick update - we've got more breaking news we are reporting over at LarryLives. According to our sources, Sierra will be making an official press release about the new game as early as October 23 (thats TOMORROW). We are advising everyone to keep a close eye on the Sierra news page as well as LarryLives.com over the next few days, as we expect a lot of news to be breaking very fast!

It looks like we'll all be getting our answers very soon!

-Mongoose

twifkak

10-22-2003, 04:41 AM

He did NOT, at ANY point, say that this game would not be a pure adventure game.
I agree with your general point, but I don't agree with the intensity of your argument (what peb said), and I don't agree with fighting half-truths with half-truths. He did at one point say it wouldn't be an adventure, as has been documented in this thread, and in your very news post about it.

bpfinsa

10-22-2003, 05:58 AM

Even a GTA clone could still be good. An action game I've been working on lately, Jak II, borrows A LOT from GTA, but overall, is a very solid title and well recieved. Maybe he's hinting toward a mission based, explorative, "picking up chicks" driving LSL, rather than a shoot-em-up LSL? That'd be a good game, too. It could be the next coming of Full Throttle 2, also. It's too soon to call this game the worst game of all time or the salvation for adventure gamers. I hope a news release comes soon so we know on way or the other.

--BPF

Hiro Protagonist

10-22-2003, 06:44 AM

I for one am a huge Larry fan and gave Sierra the benefit of the doubt for years - even when it started seeming like a sinking ship. I'm as concerned as the next Larry fan by the comments that I've heard, but they're just that - comments.

I do have a problem with the line "not interested in creating adventure games that I think most old-school, hardcore, adventure game fans think they want." I'm not a sheep...don't poke me with a stick towards whatever game you are trying to sell and tell me that it is what I'm looking for. I play old school games because I like old school games. I know what I want, and don't need a company to try and tell me otherwise. But even so, I try to keep an open mind towards new things coming out. If Sierra gives me a revolution in gaming, then I will gladly accept it. I used to say that Sierra could crap on a CD, write Larry on it, and I would buy it from them...but it tends to jam up my CD rom drive and stink to high heaven so I've changed my viewpoint. If the game sucks, then I don't have to buy it. For now, I'm on the levelheaded side - until I see a screenshot of Larry picking off cops with a sniper rifle from the top of a building.

Tanukitsune

10-22-2003, 07:28 AM

For now, I'm on the levelheaded side - until I see a screenshot of Larry picking off cops with a sniper rifle from the top of a building.
Shhh! Don't give them ideas! :sad:

jaap

10-23-2003, 12:40 AM

This all remind me of the time (1999 or 2000) that the first rumours were spread about monkey island 4. At a cetain point a very small screenshot was released (by gamespot?) and all began speculating what could be seen on this screenshot, how good/bad the game would be, etc.
It's nice to see how little actual information is needed to start the hype.

However, I fear that this "new revolutionizing concept of gaming", incorporated by Larry Magna Cum Laude will disappoint me. My guess about its genre would be some Porky's high-school Sim.

Jaap

(by the way the new Sam&Max trailer at Justadventure isn't new, it's the first and only trailer converted from mov to avi format, be warned!)

remixor

10-23-2003, 01:22 AM

There's a difference between hype causing premature judgements, I think, depending on the game. It's not as if every time a new game based on an adventure license is announced, people start accusing it of being stupid. Well, I mean, there are ALWAYS going to be some people who do this, but look at Sam and Max 2, for one. There's been almost no speculation of it being an action/adventure or an action game or a platform game, or whatever. Pretty much everyone here is excited by the prospect of a new adventure game based on a well-loved license. It's even #3 in AG's Hype-O-Meter. However, with LSL, we have Sierra's past attitude towards their adventure fans, we have statements by executives, we have their track record of late... None of these things are conclusive. I'm not implying they are. However, there's a lot more reason to suspect that LSL isn't going to be an adventure game, or even predominantly an adventure game, than there is in the case of many adventure sequels which have been announced. There are also reasons to suspect it just won't be a great game, but that's another matter.

I hope that made some sense. It's 5:30 am right now, and I'm really tired. I still have to write a term paper. This week is crappy.

EDIT: And despite all appearances to the contrary, I am indeed giving Sierra the benefit of the doubt here. Everything I've said is just my gut feeling; rationally, I am not going to hold anything against the game if it turns out well. I have no reason to.

Mattsius

10-23-2003, 01:24 AM

(by the way the new Sam&Max trailer at Justadventure isn't new, it's the first and only trailer converted from mov to avi format, be warned!)
Already knew that, but thanks for the heads up anyway. :)

Erwin_Br

10-23-2003, 01:35 AM

I have to agree with Remix here. The same thing happens with Broken Sword 3 and a famous statement. :rolleyes:

--Erwin

remixor

10-23-2003, 02:14 AM

This is totally random, but check this out:
http://www.sierra.com/product.do?gamePlatformId=295

Whoever typed up the blurb on the LSL Ultimate Pleasure Pack could obviously stand to learn a bit more about Larry's history: they included "Leisure Suit Larry 4" in the list of packaged games! It's conspicuously absent of a subtitle...

twifkak

10-23-2003, 03:32 AM

I hope that made some sense.
More sense than I've ever made on the subject.

Mattsius

10-23-2003, 06:06 AM

I hope that made some sense.
That made very much sense actually and I must say that, although being a serious Larry Fan, I agree with you all the way on what you said.

As Adam Kahn stated: keep an open mind!

Kolzig

10-23-2003, 06:51 AM

Remixor's statement is something like what I really think.

I have all Larry games, and I've always enjoyed playing them, laughing at Al Lowe's great jokes.

But seriously, Sierra just ain't what it used to be. :sad:

After KQ8, it's just so hard for me to expect anything spectacular.

It would still be great to know who's the person leading this project LSL:MCL?

Maybe that'll be cleared today when the official announcement comes out?

MrMongoose

10-23-2003, 08:10 AM

It would still be great to know who's the person leading this project LSL:MCL?

We've been working on figuring that our for LarryLives as well. All we know at this point is that Josh is merely writing the article for CGM, but was NOT involved in the development (we got that from Josh himself). And, of course, we know that Al said some time ago that he was not involved.

Once the official announcement comes from Sierra we should be able to get a lot more detail - I'm not sure if Sierra is still planning on posting the press release today, or if it has been postponed, or possibly our source was mistaken. Given the fact that leisuresuitlarry.com has been repointed, we still expected to see the info very soon!

-Mongoose

syntheticgerbil

10-23-2003, 09:54 AM

Erwin_Br

10-23-2003, 11:12 AM

My goodness, they sell the Pleasure Pack on Amazon for $270! I think some of these adventure games I have could generate a small fortune.

Too bad I'm not smart enough to copy all of the disks and CDs and then push them off.

Yeah, I bought the Pleasure Pack somewhere in a small computer store in Manhattan 2 years back (I've never seen it here in the Netherlands) for 37 bucks, and I thought the price was a little steep! Go figure.

--Erwin

MrMongoose

10-24-2003, 03:36 PM

Just to help calm some nerves...

We've been doing a lot of research and reporting at LarryLives and the sources I've heard from all seem to give a positive impression of the game. Unfortunately we haven't managed to get any details about the game play yet, so we can't really judge for ourselves - but if it helps, the people we've talked to who have seen the game all seem to have a positive view of it.

My suspicion is that this may not be the masterpiece that the previous LSL games were (at the very least it will be significantly different) but it won't be completely horrible (unless you are only interested in the classic Larry style).

Also, obviously Sierra has not made a public announcement as we had hoped. We're trying to figure out if it was just postponed a day or two, or if our source was mistaken. Given some recent activity (such as the repointing of the leisuresuitlarry.com domain) my personal guess is that it should be pretty soon.

We'll keep everyone posted!

-Mongoose

davez82

10-24-2003, 03:53 PM

i personally dont see how they can make an action out of this game, if the theme of the game is correct , college campus. Is larry going to smash people with a hammer, or even worst... .? Larry isnt much of an action star. But if larry is going to college for girls, and even graduate college, then that means it has to be story based, unless it is some metaphor for graduating the genre of adventureing. I read somewhere that it is freeroaming like gta, im guessing they are borrowing elements from bs3's gameplay also.

Marek

10-24-2003, 11:26 PM

I found more info about the game, but I can't post it on the site for various reasons. (That happens a lot actually, but I tend to keep my mouth shut about it, instead of ... *cough* let's not go there.)

Since everyone is worried that LSL8 is destined to be another Mask of Eternity or Hell on Wheels, I'll just say that all signs are pointing in the other direction. I pretty much agree with Mongoose of LarryLives.com. LSL8 might not be a completely 'traditional' 90-ies adventure game, but so far there's nothing that caused me to lose interest. In fact, I've gotten a lot more excited and I personally can't wait to read the CGM article.

I know how sensitive this community is towards Sierra given how much that company has changed during the past years, but I'd say a "wait and see" attitude would be more appropriate at this point.

bpfinsa

10-25-2003, 12:20 AM

:( Bah, I hate being out of the loop....

But since Josh Mandel wrote the article and the inital reaction from the "insiders" is fairly postive (or at worst, neutral), maybe the game might be pretty good. Since Mandel worked on many of the early Quest series titles (as well as a couple of Leisure Suit Larrys himself), my hunch is that if they weren't treating the series with the respect it deserves, he'd trash it hard in his article (I hope he would, at least). And as long as they treat the series with the respect it deserves, I'll be content.

If they want to make it an adventure game: great! If they want to make it a shooter: okay! If they want to make it a golf game: sure! But it better be a game worthy of the title on the box whatever genre it is! :)

--BPF

Erwin_Br

10-25-2003, 01:20 AM

If they want to make it an adventure game: great! If they want to make it a shooter: okay! If they want to make it a golf game: sure! But it better be a game worthy of the title on the box whatever genre it is! :)

--BPF

Hmm, that's like saying it's okay to pee in your pants, as long as they don't get wet.

--Erwin

bpfinsa

10-25-2003, 02:15 AM

Hmm, that's like saying it's okay to pee in your pants, as long as they don't get wet.

--Erwin

:eek:
:confused:
:frusty:
What in the world is that analogy supposed to mean?

All I'm saying is that the series needs to continue to try to maintain the basic spirit that made it fun to play throughout the years. I'm not sure how you got pant wetting out of that?

Well, I hope LSL8 turns out well enough that we don't have to break out the pee stain analogies again soon.

--BPF

EDIT: P.S. The screenshots for that game you're working on look very well done. Good luck on the project!

Erwin_Br

10-25-2003, 03:06 AM

What in the world is that analogy supposed to mean?

Well, I hope LSL8 turns out well enough that we don't have to break out the pee stain analogies again soon.

--BPF

What I'm trying to say is that you can't expect LSL8 to be a good shooter. It'll definately stain the series (and maybe your underwear too :P ). Not only Larry fans would hate such a game, I doubt shooter fans will like it either. I mean, a bald loser in a polyester suit carrying weapons? :frusty:

I'd rather see Larry playing golf than running around with guns.

EDIT: P.S. The screenshots for that game you're working on look very well done. Good luck on the project!

Thanks! :D

--Erwin

MrMongoose

10-25-2003, 04:58 AM

I think the choice of Leisure Suit Larry says a lot about the game. I don't think even Sierra would think Larry has any role in anything like a shooter. They MAY try to incorporate the Larry brand of humor with some action elements. But I can't imagine for a second that the ultimate goal isn't to get laid (and that just doesn't fit with most action game styles).

I've seen/heard enough to be pretty comfortable that MCL will, in no way, be a GTA clone. But, as an example, the game could have Larry driving back and forth between multiple dates. I REALLY doubt that, of course - but the point is that it could still fit Larry's basic 'get the girl(s)' style.

And I would just be shocked if there aren't major adventure components in the game as well. Perhaps they've done something like not using inventory based puzzles, or broken it down into smaller, faster-paced objectives, but I'm not sure Sierra would be as secretive as they are being if it didn't represent some sort of change in the Sierra game making philosophy.

...or maybe I've reverted to a delusional state of wishful thinking :) We should know soon!

-Mongoose