Christian game reviews

[pleto4_ryan]

"good people scoring games" (http://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/games/home.html)

Actually they are not bad at the gameplay scores (as from what i have seen)... :rolleyes:

[bigjko]

So, it's like the Hollywood Jesus site, only for games?

[Christina]

Excerpt of their TLJ review:

"As a Christian, I cannot, in good conscience, recommend this game to ANYONE under the age of 18. And even then, be careful." :rolleyes:

btw, they are looking for someone to review GK3. Can't wait to see what they come up with for that review. :D

[Marek]

It's a kind of hardcore Christianity that confuses and bewilders me. The bible is full of obscenities and controversy. Looking for 4-letter words and "references to voodoo" in Monkey Island is not what I'd associate with Christianity. This site is pretty mild though.

CCGR (http://www.ccgr.org/) gets a little more crazy sometimes. Take this quote from their Deus Ex review:

There is some sexual content. Some females, like goth chicks and bums have just enough to cover their chest. Full shirts would have been nice.

Somehow the wording of that makes me laugh. But if someone finds that kind of information useful, more power to 'em.

[Moosferatu]

LOL! *D

Wow! There is a minimum post length now... Interesting...

[fov]

Two characters in particular are more offensive than any Quinten Tarantino film's characters.

Quinten?

nevertheless, kudos to the TLJ reviewer for NOT harping on (or even mentioning) the lesbian character...

i would be very interested to read a "christian" review of GK3... provided it actually explored some of the issues from a biblical perspective (since i don't have the biblical knowledge to do so myself!) and didn't just say "this game is wrong." i kind of hope they do find someone to review it...

now here's something i don't understand... from the Quake 3 review:

I never used to be easily offended by violence in computer games. With a clear conscience, I played game likes "Half-Life". I did not feel offended because profanity was minimal and the violence was not very realistic.

okay... whatever happened to "thou shalt not kill"? it's okay as long as the killing isn't realistic?

-emily

[Christina]

CCGR put the Leisure Suit Larry series and The Watchmaker on their 'refuse to play' list. :rolleyes:

[Christina]

Yeah, I read that Tarantino quote. The characters in TLJ are worse than those in a Tarantino film? What I want to know is just what Tarantino movies have they been watching? :)

[feisar]

oh my god.

these people call gran turismo 3 "slightly offensive" because it has a licenced song that features a lyric: "flying away from the wings of God". How pathetic is that!!! These people must be right loony's for analysing that deep!! Omg like a vauge reference that someone might not like God is going to corrupt and kill their children!!

Kingdom Hearts. A bloody Disney-licence!! Is called "offensive" because it features magic!!!!!

Eternal Darkness gets slated for refences to the occult. But its a game about the good fighting and winning out over evil!! How stupid are they!! I bet they'd ban the bible because it contains references of the devil!!!

Metriod Prime they say is okay because your only shooting/killing bugs? er.. but arent they God's creatures too and have just enough right to exist as we do?? Though shalt not kill obviously doesn't ring true for these people.

Reading that junk has really sent me off on one!! The people behind sites like this is why we have wars. Why there is a lot of unessasary pain and suffering in the world. They are corrupting and twisting organised religion for their own biased, backward, selfish and watered down beliefs.

[pleto4_ryan]

Actually they are funny (they don't try to be) but the whole...point is like they are being sarcastic to their selves.

What does bother me is that they putted action and adventure together :eek:

[feisar]

hahaha there is more:

On silent hill:
"Overall this game is extremely well done, but dark to the core. Since before my salvation I had deep experience with the occult, and with the morbid things that this game portrayed, it did not effect me as it would have. I do not recommend this game for the physically or spiritually weak"

lol he probably had a non-organic cucumber sandwich or something.

They critisize Zelda: Wind Waker for having Hinud references, nice to see some tolerence there from the extemist bible bashers there.

Starfox Adventures is slating for having an almost animal in a low cut top?!?!

Also "The Krazoa Spirits are very ghost-like in appearance. When Fox collects one, it gets absorbed into his body, he floats into the air for a moment and his eyes glow slightly blue. That can definitely make Christians uncomfortable" !!!!!

[pleto4_ryan]

Reading that junk has really sent me off on one!! The people behind sites like this is why we have wars. Why there is a lot of unessasary pain and suffering in the world. They are corrupting and twisting organised religion for their own biased, backward, selfish and watered down beliefs.

Feisar...just calm down.

*pats feisar on the back

these people usually self-destruct over the years ;)

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Holy, that's funny

Go to max payne review

Click (http://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/games/2002/maxpayne.html)

This filter doesn't eliminate the killing, but it does take out the blood and gore and eliminate other elements of the game which shouldn't have been in the game in the first place.

[Marek]

I find this quote from CCGR's review of Max Payne pretty objectionable:
Lastly the game definitely has a skewed sense of right and wrong. Most things in the game are neither black and white, but rather varying shades of gray to black.
Isn't that what life is like? Varying shades of gray? Or does this reviewer believe that everyone is either an angel or possessed by satan? It's an unnuanced and misguided view. It reminds me of the "lifeline exercise" from Donnie Darko.

I think the other views are pretty silly, but they're are harmless and well-intended in a way. But I really have a problem with the kind of simplisms as the one above.

[pleto4_ryan]

Isn't that what life is like? Varying shades of gray? Or does this reviewer believe that everyone is either an angel or possessed by satan?

Marek you are disspapointing me. :P

*Those* people DO believe in only Black and White views of life :rolleyes:

[fov]

they're are harmless and well-intended in a way

i think that's the important thing. although the reviews are entertaining to read, it's not nice to make fun of other people's religious beliefs...

on a different note, i will NEVER, EVER, EVER understand why some people think TLJ goes over the top with bad language. it's no worse than what you see in an R-rated movie... and plenty of R-rated movies win awards! it makes me think that some people still equate computer games with toys and children... no, TLJ is not a good game for children. not just because of the language, but it's also too mature for kids. that doesn't make it an immoral game... or if it does, there are plenty of other things in the world that are more immoral.

as for some of the other reviews... i have to wonder, why is someone so devout even bothering? it's pretty unlikely that a very religious person is going to like ANY FPS games (except for those with unrealistic violence, of course ;)), so why choose to play them? it's like the right-wing porn barons who watch porn so they can exclaim how terrible it is, when they're secretly loving every minute of it...

(okay, maybe i made up the porn barons. is there such a thing? i think i saw some in an R-rated movie once... or maybe it was a FPS...)

oh well... i've already accepted that i'm going to hell... might as well enjoy myself on the way down!

:D emily

[pleto4_ryan]

i will NEVER, EVER, EVER understand why some people think TLJ goes over the top with bad language.

:eek:
me too

I mean, we don't even hear anything THAT bad. Only 2 chars speak badly and those are surely to speak that way. It is in their char, in their phycological base. Without the swearing they loose points for being realistic.

What is the problem with some people, blaming one of the best games for nothing serious? :sad:
It shouldn't got that mature icon also. A teen should be fine by me :frown:

[ragnar]

I can imagine that BS2 doesn't get very high grades there with all the Mayan hedonism etc.

[Ninja Dodo]

Marek you are disspapointing me. :P

*Those* people DO believe in only Black and White views of life ... which is exactly what's wrong with the world. They're the sort of people that with their narrow minded views are doing theirs to make the world a worse place than it already is. Think Bush. :frusty:

Oh wait... I apologize, there's really no way you can put those last two words together in one sentence.

Anyway... all respect to whatever beliefs people choose to have but someone who thinks there's any harm in reading Harry Potter should have their head examined.

[fov]

They're the sort of people that with their narrow minded views are doing theirs to make the world a worse place than it already is.

wellll... it's not as if they popped over here and forced us to read their reviews.

Think Bush. Oh wait... I apologize, there's really no way you can put those last two words together in one sentence.

hee hee.

my boyfriend called me earlier to report this bumper sticker he'd seen: "There's a village in Texas somewhere that's lost an idiot..."

*D emily

[DomStLeger]

They're the sort of people that with their narrow minded views are doing theirs to make the world a worse place than it already is.

While you may disagree with their views they are free to express them aren't they? Or do you prefer to Think Bush. :D

[Ninja Dodo]

Certainly, they are free to express these views. I may get annoyed when they do but I'll be the first to defend their right to. I'm just saying that in certain situations/positions such views can lead to bad and potentially very harmfull decisions... like for example in the government. *cough*bushadministration*cough*

[bpfinsa]

Let's see, Zelda promotes paganism, Mario's combat with ghosts promote the occult, the Pokemon creators follow the wishes of the "spirit of darkness" (exact words), and anyone who touches a Xenogears CD is damned to hell fire.

Oh, yeah, and the Bible does kind of mention about not judging, lest you be judged yourself. So, with that note, I give this site a 1 out of 5 Christian rating due to high arrogance and pride, as well as trying to speak for God.

--BPF

[Kingzjester]

Religious fundamentalists are great fun.

[remixor]

They're certainly good for a laugh, but as a couple others have mentioned it's just how they live their lives. There are people doing things much worse than reviewing games for their perceived moral content.

One reason this strikes a particular chord with me is that my aunt and uncle's family is sort of like the people reviewing these games, except that they also don't own a TV or a computer, because they don't believe in them. It can certainly seem silly in our society, but I will tell you without the slightest hint of doubt that they are by far the kindest people I have ever met. They have gone through more tragedy (which I won't get in to here) than I could ever imagine, but they maintain the same philosophy and (most of the time) level of happiness without becoming bitter and jaded. The children are home schooled and both my aunt and uncle each have two PhDs. They are a happy family who gets along fine and has definite ideas of Christian morals and how they should lead their lives. However, they are not condescending or patronizing or evangelical. Of course there are people who are violently fundamentalist and people who are just annoying, but the amount of Christian-bashing I see all the time makes me uncomfortable, since so close to me in my family is an example of a "fundamentalist" Christian family that has probably done more good and persevered through more shit than I likely ever will.


Anyway, sorry if that puts a damper on the thread; I may delete this post if I look back on it and determine it's uncalled for. It's just that in the last few days for some reason, I've been hearing ludicrously absurd amounts of religion-bashing and it's just starting to get to me. Believe me, though, I know that none of you guys mean any harm.

[Kingzjester]

They're certainly good for a laugh... any harm. My definition of 'fundamentalist': Whoever schools his or her children on Rush Limbaugh.

I have to question how ultimately good are people with rock-solid, unyielding moral fibre. The people who don't see the rationale behind existentialism, postmodernism and moral relativity are the ones who through their well-intentioned actions cause the most overall misery in the world. I don't bash religion because it is stupid but because it is relatively bad.

[remixor]

[color=olive][color=#000000]I don't bash religion because it is stupid but because it is relatively bad.

I have to disagree here. I think that for the vast majority of religious people, their religion simply helps them lead their lives better, or easier, or whatever. Religion can be a scapegoat and an excuse, or a magnifyer of instabilities people already have. To say it is inherently bad is, I think, a very flawed statement.

I know this is one of those arguments I can never win, however, so I'm going to leave it at that.

[fov]

I may delete this post if I look back on it and determine it's uncalled for.

don't delete your post. you're right. just yesterday we were saying how awful it is that gay-bashing is rampant on other gaming boards and how good it is that this board isn't like that. how is bashing fundamentalist christianity any different?

just because i don't agree with the viewpoints doesn't give me any right to pick on or judge the person who holds them (especially if that person's not here to defend himself).

-emily

[pleto4_ryan]

Religious persons aren't bad. I am a religious persons.

Dumb and idiot religious persons are really bad...(like Bush :shifty: )

Religion was created because it can help community. Believe it or not, it can be really good ;)

[Ninja Dodo]

... which is exactly what's wrong with the world. They're the sort of people that with their narrow minded views are doing theirs to make the world a worse place than it already is.

That said, there are of course things that are much worse. But it's just that as Feisar said, it's this sort of uncompromising, black and white thinking that, though generally not the initial cause, is what keeps all the conflicts in this world going.

I am not Christian-bashing though. I am an atheist myself but I fully respect others for having differing beliefs. I also know several Christians personally that are very open-minded and to which my comments in no way apply.

Fundamentalism in any form always leads to suffering. From your description though, remixor, I wouldn't class your aunt and uncle as such at all. To me the difference lies in how pushy people are. Someone who ask me if I'm religious and when I say no, asks "Well aren't you afraid of hell then?" I would kindly suggest to go that way themselves if I believed in such a thing. But anyone who is able to respect differing beliefs and opinions is not a fundamentalist.

[DomStLeger]

I don't understand why this site has sparked any debate. As far as I have read it's written for christians by christians. It's not trying to preach to people or convert people; but merely provide certain types of christians with reviews of games taking into count their moral perspective.

Nothing wrong with that is there?

[Garyos]

I agree with Dom that this site isn't in the least bit offensive to non-christians. But that's jsut compared to the other loonies that are out there...

EDIT: WHy aren't you an ape anymore, Dom??? I can hardly see it's you.... :sad:

[Ninja Dodo]

I consider the way they describe certain things as dangerous or complain about lack of black & white morals an insult to the books and games they review.

[James]

Books and games are art, and are therefore open to any interpretation one may care to place upon them. No one of this site is forcing it's views upon others, quite like more mainstream sites like IGN, Gamespot, and indeed Adventure Gamers and the MOJO Network. These views may be somewhat regressive, but they appeal to a clique of individuals, gamers who see their faith as an important element of their gaming.

I believe it is more narrow minded to not tolerate their views, which may indeed be intolerant of the less salubrious elements of gaming than most, than the views themselves.

"Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that." - Dr. Martin Luther King.

[pleto4_ryan]

this site isn't in the least bit offensive to non-christians.

nope, it's just very offentive towards Logic. :rolleyes:

[feisar]

Im sorry if a over-reacted a bit. I wasnt lashing out on Christianity, only on the people that twist religion to control or hurt people. Tolerance is good but where do you draw the line? Should we be tolerant of discrimination?

I think you all know my personal opinion of that site now, although I don't think it should be banned or anything, although it is probably more offensive than most of the games they review *meiow*

[Tamara]

Hmmn, just had a look, it's not *nearly* as bad as the (really) fundamentalist Christian site that was reviewing movies some time ago.

However, I'm somewhat curious, after reading the Myst review. I never actually finished the game -- could someone who has tell me what may have made it deserve this score (it's not explained in the review)

Genre: Puzzle/Adventure
Christian Rating: 3 of 5
(some objectionable elements)
Gameplay: 4 of 5
(good)
Violence: 3 of 5
(mild)
Adult Content: 3 of 5
(mild)

[fov]

there is NO adult content in myst. unless they're considering the conflict between a father and two sons (both of whom are somewhat treacherous) to be "adult." but come on... you find that in the bible!

there is also no violence that i can think of... except for a few descriptions of violence in history books, but again you find that in the bible... and a few weapons that you see that allude to the fact that violence has taken place, but nothing actually happens in the game.

didn't read the review of myst (i'll go do that now) but i really don't know what would be objectionable... unless the fact that atrus has "god like" powers of creation is at odds with the reviewer's faith...

-emily

[scabb]

I hate the idea that this particular site is aimed at "Christians". If I were to find Jesus, and regularly adopt a seat in the local church, I certainly wouldn't become allergic to curse-words or avoid violent programming about the world of voodoo. My kids wouldn't be locked out of 237 television channels and only allowed into certain sections of the library either. It works both ways too, I'm sure a lot of non-Christian individuals want son and daughter to stay pure and whole and good.

I can see the good of having reviews explaining exactly how adult or violently evil a game is, but it irks me how just decide what's Christian and what isn't. For instance, regarding the Curse of Monkey Island - "there is hardly anything offensive from a Christian standpoint" - what is this standpoint? I'm sure that to most Christians everything isn't black and white. I bet a few would be offended by the Christian stereotype that this site enforces, too.

[DomStLeger]

there is NO adult content in myst. unless they're considering the conflict between a father and two sons (both of whom are somewhat treacherous) to be "adult." but come on... you find that in the bible!

there is also no violence that i can think of... except for a few descriptions of violence in history books, but again you find that in the bible... and a few weapons that you see that allude to the fact that violence has taken place, but nothing actually happens in the game.

didn't read the review of myst (i'll go do that now) but i really don't know what would be objectionable... unless the fact that atrus has "god like" powers of creation is at odds with the reviewer's faith...

-emily

Maybe the ratings means thats the propencity to violence and adult behaviour you will feel after playing it :D

[bpfinsa]

My main problem with the site is that it takes on the tag "Christian". I'm a Christian, but I don't believe Pokemon are warping kids into a life of neverending fighting or that Wind Waker is going to make kids worship the 3 gods of Hyrule, or that kids will practice witchcraft from what they read in Harry Potter. It seems to be implying that person can't be a true Christian if they enjoy games like Silent Hill, Zelda, or Xenogears.That notion I take offense to and that they think the faith of Christians are so weak that a video game will shake it. My faith will never be shaken by a video game.

--BPF

[Moosferatu]

About the Myst review. I never read it, because I didn't think they would have a problem with it (actually I still haven't read it), but I think it is extremely funny that they graded it as such. The reason being that Rand and Robin Miller (the creators of Myst) are both Christians themselves. Infact there father is a pastor and he used to preach at the church I go to here in Hungary. He has since moved back to America, which is a shame because he was one of my all time favorites. Great guy.

[Ninja Dodo]

No one of this site is forcing it's views upon others That's not entirely true. By making that site and advertising it they are advocating and spreading those views. You may say that it's only aimed at Christians anyway but I don't buy that. It's not as bad as going to people's houses and knocking on their doors but it's both promotion of a view that others may completely disagree with, which in itself there is nothing wrong with, but you can't say that they are not trying to make others agree with them.

I am not intolerant to these views. I am not suggesting that this site or these views should be banned. I'm just strongly disagreeing with them and if anything expressing my regret that such views and the effects they tend to have exist.

Yes art is open to interpretation but that doesn't change that their reviews and articles are greatly lacking in respect for artistic freedom. Everything has to be such and such and without this and that, or it is deemed un-Christian, which as some have pointed out, most Christians don't agree with anyway...

[Wajus]

"It's always funny until someone gets hurt
And then it's just HI-LA-RIOUS"

Although the whole idea behind this site - as bpfinsa mentioned - is even for me (deist) almost profane (it seems at times it debuses some aspects of Christianity - this site is like a caricature or satire of those purist-wannabes) the content is mostly funny with some disturbing excerpts however.

Anyway it is their right to express their ideas. And while I dispise them doing it under the pretence of "their Christianity", yet they do nothing against the law, so far I haven't noticed them hurting anyone's feelings, they don't ban anything, they just advise. They are rather naive, harmless people - but that's not a crime. And certainly they ain't no fundamentalist (what an idea!) :rolleyes:

What frets me more is that they really know nothing about video games. They think that Grim Fandango is strategy. Futhermore they even claim that Tony Tough is better than aforementioned game.

Their only crime is INCOMPETENCE! :pan: :pan:

edit: :pan: Why is there limit on pans?

[remixor]

That's not entirely true. By making that site and advertising it they are advocating and spreading those views.

Oh, give me a break! A site "existing" is different than a site "being promoted and advertised". I don't even know how to respond to this. Look. What about when an Adventure Gamers reviews a game and gives it a bad score. Let's say one of their reasons is "and such and such element just didn't belong in this game, bringing the whole thing down." The creator of that game could feasably see this is "infringement of artistic freedom" or whatever it is you're trying to accuse this other site of. Bullshit, obviously. Adventure Gamers reviews games in the context of people who play adventure games. Do you think your average mainstream gamer would treat an AG-rated 5 star game in the same way they would treat an excellently reviewed game from some other, more inclusive, gaming site? Of course not. That Christian site may not speak for all Christians (obviously it only caters to a small amount) but if that's what their audience is looking for, there's nothing wrong with it! It's not "impinging on artistic freedom"! That's ludicrous. The chance of a developer even SEEING that site is almost nil. I'm sure the amount of pageviews it gets (besides people like us who go there to make fun of people's opinions) is a tiny fraction of the hits any page of AG gets. If this was some sort of government-related website or something, I'd have a problem with it. As it stands, they are doing nothing wrong. They're not even "doing stuff wrong, but it's no big deal". No! They're doing nothing wrong! They have a certain way they live a Christian life, and it doesn't matter how much that life differs from most Christian lives. The stuff we consider "normal" will look idiotic a couple hundred years from now, and many of the opinions and interests people had a couple hundred years ago look ridiculous to us now. Just because some group of people, however small, has some extremely conservative viewpoints that don't match up with the rest of society and they're not doing anybody any harm, what's the problem? I mean, come on, the only effect this has had on any people on this forum is that it's provided some entertainment.

[Ninja Dodo]

No the site is not doing anything wrong per se, but yes the sort of view they adhere to (i.e. things are either good or evil) is often the cause in other cases and situations of much distress and suffering. Which is why I find this site so disturbing and on top of that, articles like the one warning for Harry Potter may keep a lot of people from reading what is in fact a wonderful book because they're afraid they or their children may suddenly take to witchcraft and satanism if they read it... now THAT is ludicrous and THAT to all extents and purposes... is wrong.

I also don't agree with your comparison of their reviews and AG reviews because I've never seen any AG review take off points for a game on moral grounds.

[Tamara]

Maybe the ratings means thats the propencity to violence and adult behaviour you will feel after playing it :D
LMAO!

oh and fov, it wasn't the family quarrel thing, definitely, cos the reviewer mentioned there was a parallel with Cain and Abel.

Ninja Dodo, you simply didn't understand remi's analogy. He's saying, just as AGs is biased towards an adventure gamer's viewpoint, this site is biased towards a small-minded Christian's viewpoint. And that therefore both will "discriminate", in their own ways, as compared to the viewpoint of a non-biased (mainstream) site

[pleto4_ryan]

one thought...

I want all people to say their opinions and i tend to never judge someone bad because they have different opinions of me.

But i would say that the whole..."they are just saying their idea" thing for this site is a dull...

I mean. Those people have problems, serious problems. They don't speak logic, they don't speak at all. They are an offence towards the mind "their" god has given to them...

Please, stop trying be polite with "people" like them. They don't deserve it eather way...

From another point of view of course : To the mad men we always say "yes"

No the site is not doing anything wrong

Not to the logic persons and those who have a well-balanced mind.
But it's wrong in the same way as a site saying how a bomb can be created...Such a site is the cause for racism, uber-idiotic-religious etc...

[Tamara]

no, sorry, you're exagerrating. I'm no lover of fanatics and fundamentalists, but these people aren't, really. You obviously haven't been around some of the truly disgusting, bile-filled 'Christian' sites I've visited, that promote hate and really *are* dangerous. I won't give links because they aren't appropriate here. But go do a search, Jack Chick would probably be a good starting point. And then you'll see how comparatively harmless this site is.

[fov]

oh and fov, it wasn't the family quarrel thing, definitely, cos the reviewer mentioned there was a parallel with Cain and Abel.

yeah i saw that. the review really didn't say much at all to support its scoring.

i found some of the reader responses interesting though. they seemed split between "there's nothing offensive about this game whatsoever" and "there was evil music / indication that one of the brothers was evil, therefore this game isn't very christian."

i was raised catholic... i don't practice anymore, but the values are instilled. (well... the important values.) i was never taught that evil is "unchristian." i learned that there's good and evil -- we have to try to be good, not evil, and having a relationship with god helps us do that. but i thought part of the point of christianity was that we had to choose good over evil -- and to be able to do this, evil MUST exist. IMO, shouldn't a game where you have to choose to do good (help atrus) and overcome evil (not be seduced by either of the brothers' claims) be the epitome of christianity?

so regardless of my personal beliefs of religion now, i personally can't reconcile what i'm reading on this site with what i was taught. then again, there are obviously a lot of ways to slice a cake.

what i find so strange about these reviews is that the guy doesn't seem to like any games (except half-life!) there's something "unchristian" in all of them. if the games are so obviously against your faith, why keep playing them? it seems more a platform to denounce gaming than to give honest reviews.

we all bristle when we hear that a supreme court judge ruled against computer games as free speech... it doesn't surprise me at all that many of us bristle when we read that a game like myst is "unchristian." i do not have any problem with people believing whatever they want to believe. what i do have a problem with is going on and on about the evils of what other people believe. even if it's well intentioned, if someone tells me they want to "save" me, they're judging me as evil or wrong or bad, and IMO that's stepping over the line. i would never presume to tell someone whose beliefs i disagreed with that i thought they were morally deficient. in a way, i feel that by saying Myst or TLJ is "unchristian" or "immoral," this site is saying "if you like these games you're not christian" ... which is to say "if you like these games you're evil / wrong / bad."

then again, no one's forcing me to read these reviews. i can get annoyed by the implications, but it's my own fault for letting myself read them even though i know how they'll make me feel.

:eek: emily

[Ninja Dodo]

Ninja Dodo, you simply didn't understand remi's analogy. He's saying, just as AGs is biased towards an adventure gamer's viewpoint, this site is biased towards a small-minded Christian's viewpoint. And that therefore both will "discriminate", in their own ways, as compared to the viewpoint of a non-biased (mainstream) site Hm, yes, I see. Maybe I need some more sleep... or I just need to pay more attention when I'm reading. :rolleyes:

[pleto4_ryan]

you're exagerrating.

a little :D

I'm no lover of fanatics and fundamentalists, but these people aren't, really. You obviously haven't been around some of the truly disgusting, bile-filled 'Christian' sites I've visited, that promote hate and really *are* dangerous. I won't give links because they aren't appropriate here. But go do a search, Jack Chick would probably be a good starting point. And then you'll see how comparatively harmless this site is.

I have seen and know about people THAT "hitted-on-the-head-when-they-were-little". And yes you are right. Those aren't so bad (now)
I have learned one thing in my life. A bad thing, even if it is really really small, it can create a HUGE snowball that can create far too many problems. Even small things of such idiotic can create much problems.

One of the first that i have seen in the site from now are the responces. People who "finally" find others who believe the same, thus growing their false ideas and making those ideas more "stable" in our society....etc etc etc....

[twifkak]

non-biased (mainstream)
ROFL!

BTW, Marek, I value the ability to speak eloquently succinctly, and in that respect, the 10char limit ruined this post. (In my humble a-hole...)

[Eivind]

I don't understand why this site has sparked any debate. As far as I have read it's written for christians by christians. It's not trying to preach to people or convert people; but merely provide certain types of christians with reviews of games taking into count their moral perspective.

Nothing wrong with that is there?

Well, I feel that it is, in some ways, wrong. I think of the thousands of children out there, not being able to play Zelda (gotta play Catechumen instead!), due to the fact that there are more than one god in the game, or TLJ, because of the swearing and a lesbian character. :) Hey, even if you are a Christian you can't ignore the world and the times you're living in. Yes, most people swear from time to time, and there are many gay people around! Shouldn't art reflect the world we are living in?

Those Christian review sites represent everything I personally can't accept about Christianity.. To ban a game because it doesn't fit right into the Christian mythology isn't right IMHO. One should be able separate between reality and the fictitious.

[Jake]

Kingdom Hearts. A bloody Disney-licence!! Is called "offensive" because it features magic!!!!!


You'd think with their extreme familyness, Disney would get along well with people like this, but fundamentalist Christians and Disney seem to butt heads A LOT! It's amazing to me. They should stick to Veggie Tales.

[Tamara]

ROFL!

LOL! well you know what I meant by unbiased, in *that* context :D

[twifkak]

LOL! well you know what I meant by unbiased, in *that* context :D
Yes, but that doesn't mean I can't be a pedant (is that a word? :p).

[Kingzjester]

Yes, but that doesn't mean I can't be a pedant (is that a word? :p). Very much so.

[Marek]

I sense a bit of sensitivity on this subject. I don't think there should be a taboo on discussing people's beliefs, and I don't think ignoring each other's beliefs promotes tolerance.

I'm just going to insert my bit of "political correctness" here (although I'm annoyed that these topics require that). My parents are Catholics. I have friends who are Catholic, Hindu, Islam, materialist and of the postmodernist/humanist type. I've read extensively about every major religion including Islam and all the "isms". I've read the bible (or more accurately, just about half of it. The chapter with the numbers was a tough read ;)) I'm not Catholic but I recognize and respect all religions that promote goodness, sharing, etc.

I would have criticized the game reviews site just as well if it had not been Christian-oriented, but stood on its own. The fact that its Christian doesn't even matter. I'm commenting on the opinions of whoever wrote those pieces, in the same way that I'd talk about, say, Tycho trashing a game on Penny Arcade, or a review by Greg Kasavin.

[Corley Motors]

Heh, I was just reading the review for Conker's Bad Fur Day.


It's funny because like a year before it came out, I was all into the gameboy game, and after I found out that they were making a sequel for the N64, I bursted with joy. Then after that, I saw the first box art for it, and I saw the "M" rating on it, and I got all freaked out, because I was in like 5 grade. Then I thought it was a mistake, but when I found out it wasn't, I got so pissed off at Rare because my parent's would never let me play it if it was Rated Mature, so I emailed the company and chewed them out ( hey, I didn't know any better, I was 11!).
I still haven't played it yet.. I want to rent it soon.. But my dad probably won't let me(I can rent other M rated games, but my dad knows about the content for BFD, so I don't think he'd approve). Maybe I should borrow it from a friend.. If any of my friends have it, which I doubt..

[Nellie]

Favourite bit, from a GTA3 user review:

I didn't get too far in the game because of my disgust of the content. Playing this game allowed me to do things I as a Christian wouldn't normally do. I just turned it off and took it back the next day. I traded it for AceCombat 4. A much better game!!

Man, I gotta get this Ace Combat 4!


Edit: I also like the user review which lengthily tries to explain why Unreal Tournament has a Christian theme.

[nordic_guy]

I think it's great for hard-core christians to have a gaming site exclusively for them, but sometimes they seem to go to far in their search for inappropriate or offensive language or images. Like this from their review of Banjoo Kazooie:

Although there is no violence present in the game, there is one cut scene where a woman in a bikini is shown walking on the beach. Although you do not see this scene until the game is totally beaten, it is something to take into consideration if your child isn't older than 13.

Can you point out one kid under 13 who haven't seen a woman in bikini?
Maybe these guys should try to only review games that are, what they call, suitable for christians?

[remixor]

I would have criticized the game reviews site just as well if it had not been Christian-oriented, but stood on its own. The fact that its Christian doesn't even matter.

But see, it does matter. That guy (or those guys, I don't know), aren't reviewing for "gamers", they are reviewing for a very specific kind of Christian gamers. There's really no comparison. Obviuosly, anyone is free to criticize anything they want, but I think it's kind of moot in this case, since it seems like nobody here is the type who would actually require those types of reviews. It makes more sense to criticize, as you say, JA+ or Tycho from PA, because those are sources we can relate to.

[jannar85]

Do they have many readers btw? :O

[justpassingthru]

Ninja Dodo wrote - Anyway... all respect to whatever beliefs people choose to have but someone who thinks there's any harm in reading Harry Potter should have their head examined.[/QUOTE]


Really... In the Potter series, the line is not so clear. The "good" guys practice "white magic", while the bad guys practice the "Dark Arts". Readers become fascinated with the magic used (explained in remarkable detail). Yet God is clear in Scripture that any practice of magic is an "abomination" to him. God doesn't distinguish between "white" and "dark" magic since they both originate from the same source.

Furthermore, if one were to use the reasoning that such objectionable material can be included in fantasy literature, then "that line of reasoning would tell you that you could include in fantasy in any violence, pornography, whatever you wanted, and still defend those books by that very same statement."

And finally..."J.K. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter series, has gone through an awful lot of research. She is very accurate (otherwise we would have witches all over the country and the world saying 'this is not a true representation of our religion'.) This is a true representation of witchcraft, and the black arts, and black magic. And yet we have people that say this is merely fantasy and harmless reading for our children. Actually, what makes this more dangerous is that it is couched in fantasy language, and children's literature, and made to be humorous, and beautifully written and extremely provocative reading. and it just opens up children to want to have the next one. This is what is so harmful."

It really doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to see the obvious. But their again, even though you have eyes, doesn't mean you see!

Justpassinthru

P.S. "someone who thinks there's any harm in reading Harry Potter should have their head examined." I think by your very admission, you need to have your head examined. All due respect.

[justpassingthru]

oh my god.

these people call gran turismo 3 "slightly offensive" because it has a licenced song that features a lyric: "flying away from the wings of God". How pathetic is that!!! These people must be right loony's for analysing that deep!! Omg like a vauge reference that someone might not like God is going to corrupt and kill their children!!

Kingdom Hearts. A bloody Disney-licence!! Is called "offensive" because it features magic!!!!!

Eternal Darkness gets slated for refences to the occult. But its a game about the good fighting and winning out over evil!! How stupid are they!! I bet they'd ban the bible because it contains references of the devil!!!

Metriod Prime they say is okay because your only shooting/killing bugs? er.. but arent they God's creatures too and have just enough right to exist as we do?? Though shalt not kill obviously doesn't ring true for these people.

Reading that junk has really sent me off on one!! The people behind sites like this is why we have wars. Why there is a lot of unessasary pain and suffering in the world. They are corrupting and twisting organised religion for their own biased, backward, selfish and watered down beliefs.


Hello everyone,

I wondered on to your forum through a search engine looking for game reviews from a Christian perspective. I've been reading some of your discussions and I wanted to throw my two cents worth in. I am a Christian and not ashamed of it...in reading your discussions, one perticular time in history came to mind..."In the garden, satan told eve...It's just an apple, surely you will not die if you eat of it. Satans M.O. hasn't changed since the beginning of time. It's just a game, surely it can't harm you.
Anywho, hope you don't mind my viewpoint on your discussions about Christian game reviews, i.e...ccgr

Justpassinthru.

P.S. Emily, God's commandent(s)..."Thou shall not kill" was not given to us to tell us not to kill, God knew we would even before given that commandment. Nor were any of the other commandments given to us to obey (for we cannot obey them), God gave us the 10 commandments to show us that we are sinners and in need of being saved. "For if you break the least of these commandments, you have broken them all". There is no one throughout the history of this world (aside from Jesus Christ) who could keep all these commandments.

Hope this helps clear up the misconception of the 10 commandments.

[Titan]

Well how very timely and interesting. If ever a thread needed an interloper to give it a heartbeat this one did.

Other than remixor's defense and Dom's neutrality, the whole thing had been a condenscending rant against tolerance of certain views, coupled with the presupposition of the infallible relativism that defines the last 80 years or so of 'thinking' in the West. In fact it has been stated by quite a few of these posts that black and white views are obviously inherently wrong and at least one post worships at the altar of moral relativism. IMO, this is tantamount to saying all thought is meaningless, not just think Bush. In fact he may be the only one who is thinking anymore.

I must admit that I'm not a Christian and I don't think many at this site truly are. I just don't believe Jesus was the son of God, but I do believe there is a god. And I do believe that the Christian religion comes closer than any other in the world to answering the conundrum on Earth, "What is the purpose of life?".

And I do believe we just heard from a true Christian.

[Tanukitsune]

I'm a Chirstian, ans this site doesn't offend me as a gamer, but I'm sure there are just making things up....

Chu Chu Rocket is one the few games that gets a perfect score... It says "No violence", put don't the space cats EAT the mice in that game? :frown:

Only the cristian games games get decent scores.... This site just promotes christian games.... Since this site was made for X-treme Chistians I guess its ok...
But how can a FPS can have an "almost no violence"? Just because its Christian?

From a Christia point of view I think they are seing the Devil in ALL non-christian games and beatifing all the Christian ones...

I'm not sure what they mean by game play.... They give 4 or 5 to nearly all games!

So I guess this site only has purpose, its for hard-core christians who want to buy a game and "don't want to go to Hell" :rolleyes:

Not all Chirstians are like that... You can live by the Bible, but you can't let the Bible live your live.... :P (Did that make sense?)

[Tamara]

just one tiny point to justpassingthru: magic doesn't really exist.

That is all. :)

[jaf]

okay... whatever happened to "thou shalt not kill"? it's okay as long as the killing isn't realistic?

-emily

It's ok as long as the characters dont show nudity...

[DomStLeger]

Other than remixor's defense and Dom's neutrality, the whole thing had been a condenscending rant against tolerance of certain views, coupled with the presupposition of the infallible relativism that defines the last 80 years or so of 'thinking' in the West. In fact it has been stated by quite a few of these posts that black and white views are obviously inherently wrong and at least one post worships at the altar of moral relativism. IMO, this is tantamount to saying all thought is meaningless, not just think Bush. In fact he may be the only one who is thinking anymore.

You know, I think you make a very good point there Titan. We are at the point now where the prevailing ideology of relavistic morals is almost becoming unquestioned; treated as an absolute truth. People claim that inherent to this modern way of thinking is an idea of tolerance and diversity, but instead it seems we're getting some things deemed outwith this ideology treated as intolerable.

I hadn't followed this thread for a while, but coming back to this thread I must admit I am suprised by some of the views expressed. There have been assumptions that religion causes all the worlds conflicts, phrases like "stop trying be polite with 'people' like them" used, and as Titan put rather well, overall an almost condecending treatment of the views they express. I even got a feeling one or two people were implying the site in question is actually dangerous.

I fail to see what it is that they do that offends people. They are merely providing games reviews from their moral perspective for people who share that perspective. I'm a practing Roman Catholic, but I don't share that perspective myself. But I believe firmly they have every right to do that, and even promote their views if they want (I was suprised someone felt that it was wrong for the site to advertise itself because it might actually change peoples opinions or something.)

Perhaps we should be as opened minded as we claim the reviewers at this site are close minded?

[Kingzjester]

When I am sitting in the parking lot and reading LOTR, I don't want some guy with a republican smile, a slanted forehead, and a Gideon's Bible to run up to me and start yelling how I should drop all this black magic NOW and adopt Jesus Holy Christ of Nazareth as the one and true only son of God and drop down on my knees and beg for forgiveness NOW lest I burn in a lake of fire and brimstone for ever and ever and ever and ever!!1@12!1!!! That asshole has no right to tell me that I cannot read black magic on a Bank of America parking lot! If there was ever a perfect place for one to read black magic, that's it!

Moral relativism is the way to go. Anyone who believes there is a very distinct BLACK and a very distinct WHITE direction in life can very well blow me.

Note: I am not coercively forcing religious people to drop their dogma and kill their God(s), I am in no way preaching intolerance of religion, I am not putting up monuments with Sartre's essay On Existentialism in courthouse courtyards, I am not saying that those who are not queer will burn in hell, I am in no way forcing you to accept my views or else - I am merely saying that a wholesome, fundamentalist blowjob would really make my day right about now.

There actually are times when euthanasia and abortion are the right courses of actions (comatose people and children with grave genetic anomalies, respectively). There are times when 'listening to what God is telling you' is downright bad (case in point, the Houston woman that drowned her children few years ago).

It is a matter of fact that 70% of religious people are narrow-minded idiots (when I say religious, I don't mean those that go to church on Christmas and Easter, and that only because someone in their family gave them an ultimatum).

Those 70% I don't even want to know - the remaining 30% really amaze me. They amaze me because they are not dogmatic and overly conservative, they are not obsessed with protocol and well-defined RIGHT and WRONG, they do not want to convert people just so that they don't stand out of the flock. They are truly spiritual, and not fanatically religious because and only because it is traditional. They don't go to church to compare clothes and pass gross, superficial judgments on their friends (Look how fat Marge has gotten! That glutton of a woman!) - they are truly worried about justice and beauty and love and happiness and harmony of human relationship. These are the people like Spinoza and Nabokov and Plato and Gandhi and Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela and George Harrison and Sartre and Elie Wiesel and Bob Marley and Cat Stevens (or whatever his name is now). I am in no way like them, I think they are silly in certain ways, but them I can respect.

These people want not to be cruel, first and foremost.

Their religious counterparts in the majority (the mentioned 70%) just want to prevent everyone else from straying from their righteous path. When these people yell in my face that I am the spawn of Satan and that I should change to be more like them, and then they tell me I should be more tolerant of their views, I tell them to kindly blow me.

All Bibles to the fiction isle!!

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Kingz, don't you live deep in the bible belt? Poor thing.

[remixor]

I'm pretty frustrated this thread is opening up again. It's quite clear nobody is going to change anyone else's mind. Titan's post is what I've believed from the beginning of this thread. It's very unfortunate somebody had to come along and reignite this powder keg, because I think everybody knows it won't get us anywhere. It's not even a debate, it's just a presentation of opinions.


It is a matter of fact that 70% of religious people are narrow-minded idiots

70%? It is a matter of fact that you are a narrow-minded idiot.

[Kingzjester]

70%? It is a matter of fact that you are a narrow-minded idiot.I am a misanthrope, what do you want me to say? It is this practice - assuming that most people are bigger idiots than they actually are - that allows me to be pleasantly surprised by fellow humans when I get to know them a little bit better.

In other words, fhttp://www.smilies.okipages.com/s/ups/razor_wind/umadani.gifk you Chris.

[remixor]

I'm fairly misanthropic myself, and wouldn't have had much of a problem had you said 70% of all the people you meet are idiots--but misanthropy or not, you can't just decide that it's a "fact" that 70% of religious people are idiots.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Bullshit. Neither of you are misanthropes, you only wish you were. If you really were you wouldn't be seen here. You're actually both curmudgeons. Which is quite odd because you're both so young. :confused:

Kingz, sooo.....what's the latest read on Florence King, then?

[Kingzjester]

Kingz, sooo.....what's the latest read on Florence King, then?Don't go there, that woman just freaks me out...

[Kingzjester]

I'm fairly misanthropic myself, and wouldn't have had much of a problem had you said 70% of all the people you meet are idiots--but misanthropy or not, you can't just decide that it's a "fact" that 70% of religious people are idiots.I think 90% of people I meet are idiots, I was actually cutting the religious a break.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

Don't go there, that woman just freaks me out...

*D That's amusing, because she's one of the most common sensical, salty people I know. A splendid cocktail of high erudition and balls-a-grabbin' take-no-prisoners approach. Love the ol' bitch. Her books made me roflmao for hours.

[remixor]

Bullshit. Neither of you are misanthropes, you only wish you were. If you really were you wouldn't be seen here.

Perhaps, perhaps... Although the main reason I DO spend so much time here is because I can't stand most of the people I actually meet in real life.

[syntheticgerbil]

A real misanthrope wouldn't even be using the internet, let alone a forum.




And I can't really believe that parents don't let their kids play Rated Mature games. That's funny. Most of my childhood fun was oriented on spilling blood and guts with friends at 4 AM, when we were not supposed to be up.

Hell, I sort of figured out sex through Leisure Suit Larry. Good parenting.

[remixor]

And I can't really believe that parents don't let their kids play Rated Mature games. That's funny. Most of my childhood fun was oriented on spilling blood and guts with friends at 4 AM, when we were not supposed to be up.

Hell, I sort of figured out sex through Leisure Suit Larry. Good parenting.


I certainly wouldn't hold it against parents if they didn't want to let their kids playing games that are intended and rated for people of age 17 years or older. It's not "funny"--you must be thinking that the RATINGS system is funny, not the actions of the parents.

[Kingzjester]

A real misanthrope wouldn't even be using the internet, let alone a forum.I focus all my misanthropy on Evan, taking it easy on everybody else some of the most of the time.

Berthrand Russell was one of the biggest misanthropes I know of, and even he went out with the hippies to protest the war in Vietnam. Even the Unabomber had a group of people he hung out with at the local wilderness library. Granted, I am not nearly as introverted as either one of them. I can function in the 'real' world, the world of idiots. But even after a short conversation with one of those idiots they start to resent my questions, yell at me. I asked this woman I have an 8-o-clock class with why must I come on time, and she was earnestly inslulted that I would even bring something like that up.

My friends introduce me to their friends by saying, "This is Steven, he is just like me, only worse."

Soon enough they'll tar-and-feather me and send me on my merry way out of town...

[syntheticgerbil]

No I really do think it's funny that parents keep their kids away from Mature games.

I think games in all actually are very light and soft core, and really there is nothing to be worried about. I think parents should have the attitude that likens all games to pong. "Oh it's only a game, Junior won't hurt his mind." But Junior will hurt his mind, and he'll be a raving weird maniac when he gets older. Him and his weird raving maniac friends. But these maniacs are going to be unphased and more satisfied. And once they mature, they can actually enjoy games like Pong and stop clearing the cookies, temporary internet files, and history on the computer so their parents won't know that they are looking at naked nude sex.

Anyways, I mean to say: Dement your kids at an early age. They will be stronger, faster, and more powerful because of it.

[Kingzjester]

...naked nude sex. ... as opposed to what?

Sorry Tamz if you wanted to ask that

[Tamara]

If there was ever a perfect place for one to read black magic, that's it!
Tee. That one is just pure genius :D

You're a nutter, Kingz, but a funny nutter, and that makes you OK in my book :P

... as opposed to what?
you'd be surprised, actually :D

[DomStLeger]

When I am sitting in the parking lot and reading LOTR, I don't want some guy with a republican smile, a slanted forehead, and a Gideon's Bible to run up to me and start yelling how I should drop all this black magic NOW and adopt Jesus Holy Christ of Nazareth as the one and true only son of God and drop down on my knees and beg for ..... them to kindly blow me.

All Bibles to the fiction isle!!

While I share a number of the sentiments in your rant Kingz, I really can't see the relevance of most of it.


I focus all my misanthropy on Evan, taking it easy on everybody else some of the most of the time.


Well thank god for that; and here was me thinking you were merely holding a childish vendetta because he wouldn't let you use a four letter word once. Good to know thats beneath you, and that theres actually a well thoughtout philisophical reason for it instead.

[remixor]

While I share a number of the sentiments in your rant Kingz, I really can't see the relevance of most of it.

Especially since the people who run that site aren't assaulting Kingz from all sides and opening new broser windows in his face... :rolleyes:

[martybee_98]

http://www.newrev7.com

I did this game and it was probably TOO strange for the Christians and not strange enough for the "strange" market...

Growing tired of "me too" sorts of games that Christians were putting out I did something completely different. I made one that I had a little fun at. Your ammo was donuts and cookies and the weapons were hood ornaments off of cars fromt the '50s. You got health by drinking coffee... All this was set to a "surf guitar" soundtrack, all the Ventures.

(if you decide to get the demo from winsite, just be ready for a lot of popups, I am too cheap to put anything on a REAL server, also when you are there, do a search for "badmedicine". Its a first level for my other game, Bad Medicine where you play a poor schmuck who has lost his health insurance and has to fight his way out of the hospital.)

[Alextek]

I'm Christian too, but I'm getting fed up with the hypocrisy that some of the so called "christians" are expressing to the media. Adventure games such as the curse of the monkey island are great because of the storyline that it is contain in the game (unlike GTA3, a senseless marketing tool). It's fiction, and its supposed to be entertainning like a novel or a movie (LOTR series?). We know its not real. Having said that, The Broken Sword series are high up in my list of all time favorite games, I dont know if that makes me less Christian or not, but our faith is suppose to set us free not ballchained (or defensive) to the ills of society. My advise, play on. Of course pick the good games.

http://www.newrev7.com

I did this game and it was probably TOO strange for the Christians and not strange enough for the "strange" market...

Growing tired of "me too" sorts of games that Christians were putting out I did something completely different. I made one that I had a little fun at. Your ammo was donuts and cookies and the weapons were hood ornaments off of cars fromt the '50s. You got health by drinking coffee... All this was set to a "surf guitar" soundtrack, all the Ventures.

(if you decide to get the demo from winsite, just be ready for a lot of popups, I am too cheap to put anything on a REAL server, also when you are there, do a search for "badmedicine". Its a first level for my other game, Bad Medicine where you play a poor schmuck who has lost his health insurance and has to fight his way out of the hospital.)

[Hammerite]

I suppose that killing in games is wrong and satanic but its perfectly AOK to have El Idio-Presidente Bush (that's my name for him) to send off people to kill Iraqis because they happen to be sitting on a massive pile of oil.

[Manhunter71]

I suppose that killing in games is wrong and satanic but its perfectly AOK to have El Idio-Presidente Bush (that's my name for him) to send off people to kill Iraqis because they happen to be sitting on a massive pile of oil.


Don't get me started on Bush!
He's perfectly happy to send thousands of troops to Iraq to overthrow a dictator who had control of numerous oil wells but won't lift a finger to help the situation in Zimbabwe where the evil dictator Robert Mugabe has thrown thousands of innocent human beings out of their homes and demolished them, leaving them all homeless :crazy:

[Hammerite]

which one's the bloke who doesnt let more than 3 people talk at a time because of a fear of conspiracy (this isnt just in escape from monkey island, this is a real dictator who does that).

[Maquisard]

okay... whatever happened to "thou shalt not kill"? it's okay as long as the killing isn't realistic?

-emily

OK, so how do you want it? Laid back, or extreme Christianity? 'Cause I can do both. ;)

[vansau]

Does extreme Christianity involve crusades and warfare? Cause that'd rule.

[Hammerite]

I jsut read their review of DOOM 3 saying that they think the game should be banned due to the fact that a 13-year-old would be exposed to satanic demons and the occult even though on the front of the packaging is the number '18' in a circle... besides, i was allowed to play the original Doom at the age of four in small 15-minute doses giving me enough violence not to make me either desensitized or wanting to see it. and i turned out fine.

[fov]

Did this year and a half old thread *really* need to be resurrected? :shifty:

[SCRUGAtes13]

Did this year and a half old thread *really* need to be resurrected? :shifty:

actually, yes! christianity is something that condones video games and teaches us to fight in wars for god. good ol' christianity, always there for a purpose.

and islam, hinduism, jewish orthodox, greek orthodox, russian orthodox, born again christians, catholics, protestants, samurai's, wizards, dungeons and dragons. LARPing religion style yeah.