View Full Version : Tunguska demo Vs BS4 demo - your favourite?
Irongiant909
09-13-2006, 11:48 AM
Title says it all - unfortunately my video card isn't up to the required specs for BS4 so I can't try it, but bearing in mind these are demos, if you've played both do you have a preference?
Kolzig
09-13-2006, 12:07 PM
Tunguska, by a long shot.
BS4 was one bad demo, really bad. I won't be buying that one.
Chad316
09-13-2006, 12:11 PM
tunguska but im still getting bs4
Dannyyou
09-13-2006, 12:22 PM
BS4 in my opinion is way better
Tunguska.
BS4 was, what the abbreviation implies: utter bullshit^4. Looks bad, plays even worse (although I'm no fan of the series, I quite enjoyed the first game, Shadow of the Templars).
Tunguska on the other hand was technically mature, looked nice, the puzzles were enjoyable and not too hard (I am also judging by the full game, which I purchased after playing the demo and finished in about 5 days).
Litrick
09-13-2006, 01:12 PM
BS4 - Good graphics (yes! they are, your pc just probably cant run them properly if you think otherwise), that same old Broken Sword feel with Fun puzzles and humour. Going to be a great game.
Secret files was pretty good too, but you do get a budget title feel from it. will be buying this too :)
Please point at good graphics:
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2064/brokensword47ee3.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2064/brokensword47ee3.jpg)
Low-res textures, low-count polygon models, static shadows, shallow colours etc
Graphics doesn't make a game though, I also didn't like the overall feeling of BS4. Then again, I didn't have the this-is-broken-sword-it-has-to-be-awesome - expectation.
Dale Baldwin
09-13-2006, 01:58 PM
Tunguska impressed me more, but I'll still be getting both.
Captain Blondebeard
09-13-2006, 02:02 PM
BS4. Tunguska seems less entertaining than the games they attempted to clone. BS4 still has the aura and feel of the series. Love the voice acting and background effects. BS4 also seems to be mastered at the perfect level which makes you feel in the game.
Captain Blondebeard
09-13-2006, 02:05 PM
Tunguska.
BS4 was, what the abbreviation implies: utter bullshit^4. Looks bad, plays even worse (although I'm no fan of the series, I quite enjoyed the first game, Shadow of the Templars).
Tunguska on the other hand was technically mature, looked nice, the puzzles were enjoyable and not too hard (I am also judging by the full game, which I purchased after playing the demo and finished in about 5 days).
The graphics everyone has a problem with doesnt matter to me because they saved the money to make it a quality overall adventure unlike the normal budget bullshit that is put out.
Lucien21
09-13-2006, 02:06 PM
I will be buying both, but Tunguska impressed me more.
Dasilva
09-13-2006, 02:13 PM
Secret files = better graphics. :)
Beacon
09-13-2006, 02:31 PM
Tunguska by a mile. The only thing that I would do differently is give the game a direct control interface and a camera that is over the shoulder of the main character. If you have ever played Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, that game had the best 3rd person control scheme in a 3D world I have ever seen. Graft onto that an object interaction layer for Adventure games, and Tunguska would be perfect.
Dale Baldwin
09-13-2006, 02:33 PM
... except Tunguska isn't in 3D ;) It would need a complete redesign, rather than a different camera.
Irongiant909
09-13-2006, 02:35 PM
Tunguska by a mile. The only thing that I would do differently is give the game a direct control interface and a camera that is over the shoulder of the main character. If you have ever played Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, that game had the best 3rd person control scheme in a 3D world I have ever seen. Graft onto that an object interaction layer for Adventure games, and Tunguska would be perfect.
Have to strongly disagree with you there - over the shoulder camera views (and first person views for that matter) are, in my opinion, strictly for 'action' games. One thing I love about adventure games is being able to look at what's going on from a bit of a distance - it adds to the atmosphere immensely.
Dasilva
09-13-2006, 02:39 PM
... except Tunguska isn't in 3D ;) It would need a complete redesign, rather than a different camera.
Not many people can pull off great looking pre rendered games, I'm impressed with the art style of this game and TLJ is also one of those rare good looking 3D but 2D games. :)
rtrooney
09-13-2006, 05:30 PM
Tunguska
HeinzHarald
09-14-2006, 01:08 AM
They impressed me about the same. Tunguska seemed like a good 2.5D adventure, and BS4 a good 3D adventure. I'm getting both, but I'm really looking forward to seeing George again, and personally I prefer 3D over 2.5D.
stinking_dylan
09-14-2006, 01:31 AM
I've not played either demo (I'd rather wait to play the whole thing) but Tunguska is way above BS4 for me. I'll be pre-ordering Tunguska as soon as play.com allows me to.
I never really liked anything about the first BS game. I've got the second but have never played it due to my dissapointment with the first one. I'll probably get BS4 when it arrives on budget, but it'll only be if there is nothing else around that I want to play.
Irongiant909
09-14-2006, 01:41 AM
I never really liked anything about the first BS game. I've got the second but have never played it due to my dissapointment with the first one. I'll probably get BS4 when it arrives on budget, but it'll only be if there is nothing else around that I want to play.
I loved the frst BS game and quite liked the second. The third was awful and, from looking at screenshots and reading reviews, the fourth doesn't appeal either.
why cant bs4 be like tunguska ? the way it was in one and 2'th one of the game ... damn i go for tunguska great graphics and so on bs4 is not adventure game for me anymore cus they make the damn game so big and more to the graphics then gameplay ... adventure games are good for the not big size (disc space) and verry playable well and craphics are good still ... but the game dont lag and u dont need super pc to play it ... like tunguska u can play it on p3 even but BS4 needs the best there is ... im not sure that the game is working on my pc 3'th didnt work 4'th demo worked but my pc is 3.5 years old
P4 2Ghz
ram 768ddr
geforce4 ti4200 64mb
BS4 - Good graphics (yes! they are, your pc just probably cant run them properly if you think otherwise), that same old Broken Sword feel with Fun puzzles and humour. Going to be a great game.
Secret files was pretty good too, but you do get a budget title feel from it. will be buying this too :)
whats the point of a good graphics in the game if game sucks by the camera and movement ?
and i must say that tunguska have a good graphics to and is enjoyable to play not like BS4 where u move with keyboard or u use only mose what still sucks
MakeMonroe
09-14-2006, 03:31 AM
i loved first broken sword game,second one was somewhat good and the third one was absolutely horrible in my opinion.
Tunguska looks good and the story sounds pretty interesting too..so you can guess which one i'm going to buy.
aries323
09-14-2006, 09:13 AM
HI :)
The Tunguska demo was so much more better, better visuals, better puzzles [although the puzzles were a bit for inevntorylike to my taste i.e. combine this with that and put that on the cat etc. etc.] and, IMHO, a better story.
Minor spoiler:
In Tunguska, you start out on a sort of mission/quest finding your father.
And the puzzles etc. is integrated in the story, so it feels natural to do the puzzles to advance the story og your missing father etc. etc. IN BS4, my impression was that the story kind of took over, and the puzzles were sort of second to telling the story. [since English isn't native language, I'm not able to say exactly what I mean to say, but I hope you get the general idea...]
Also, in BS4; the controls, imho, wew horrible, and half of the sound clipped, so I couldn't hear what the characters did say...This didn't happen in Tunguska...
So, Tunguska demo (& game) is clear the fave for for me...
aries323
To me, the Tunguska demo is definitely way better. To be honest, my interest in adventures (and games in general) nowadays is not what it used to be, so I hadn't heard of Tunguska, but thanks to this thread I figured I'd give it a try (thinking it couldn't be worse than the bs4 demo). I really liked it; the environments are really beautiful and detailed, cutscenes are lovely, music is OK... puzzles are nice (the cat puzzle was a bit strange, but didn't bother me).
I have to admit I was a bit worried at first, in the initial room (don't know why, maybe because it remembered me of those free games where you are confined to 1 room with some objects :) , luckily I could simply walk out). I also felt involved with the story, probably because of the fact that you start in the beginning (<-> bs4 demo) and the beautiful cutscenes. I actually wanted the demo to last longer, while I finished the bs4 demo as quickly as possible (had to restart because of a crash) so that I could wipe it of my hard drive. That demo was such a disappointment! And yes, the graphics suck ;) AA or not... And on top of that, the whole environment where that demo takes place was a bit unfortunately chosen; it looks really dull and boring without any variety...
I quite liked the first 2 bs games; nothing spectacular (ranked way behind the sierra and lucasarts classics), but a nice graphic style and humor... Maybe BS4 can be a good game, but the demo didn't show that... (the salami conversation wasn't that funny either). I hope there is some humor in Tunguska; while I enjoyed the demo, I would enjoy it even more if there were some funny lines in it.
wilco
09-14-2006, 01:14 PM
Another vote for Tunguska here, one of a few demos that made me pre-order a game.
Litrick
09-14-2006, 01:31 PM
Please point at good graphics:
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2064/brokensword47ee3.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2064/brokensword47ee3.jpg)
Low-res textures, low-count polygon models, static shadows, shallow colours etc
Graphics doesn't make a game though, I also didn't like the overall feeling of BS4. Then again, I didn't have the this-is-broken-sword-it-has-to-be-awesome - expectation.
granted, that picture looks like crap. however it does not look like that in the game.
this is a screenshot i just took from the demo on my pc... you tell me where the bad graphics are :)
http://www.boomerangskiclub.co.nz/greg/broken%20sword.jpg
it has great lighting, impressive detailed textures, and detailed models. nothing wrong with those graphics whatsoever.
...De coloribus et de gustibus non disputandum est... ;)
No, I agree there's nothing really "wrong" with the graphics, but there's nothing that justifies the shader requirements...
(e.g. psychonauts -think that one also required shaders- looked so much nicer, if you examined the characters in close up (eyes, hair etc))
And I'm not that impressed with textures of walls, wood etc. either, it all looks very bland. But like I said before, it is a shame that they picked such an uninteresting environment for the demo, with so little characters or objects to interact with; it gives me +/-no clue about what to expect from the full game.
If you look at non-adventure 3d games, they look way better (another demo I tried recently was Dark Messiah of Might & Magic, which uses the Source engine, looks better and even runs on cards without shader support).
The original Broken Sword games had a unique graphical style, and that seems to be gone. I understand that adventure games probably have a smaller budget (<-> fps), but they can still look more inspired than this (e.g. psychonauts, grim fandango...)
(I'm probably a bit exaggerating to stress my point)
btw: after playing the tunguska demo, I wished an adventure starring cate archer was made (still my favourite female protagonist in any game).:)
MadTricks
09-15-2006, 06:29 AM
Hey, Irongiant909 poll would be nice :)
maybe some mod could add this ;)
Junkface
09-15-2006, 07:33 AM
I understand that adventure games probably have a smaller budget (<-> fps), but they can still look more inspired than this (e.g. psychonauts, grim fandango...)
Psychonauts is neither an adventure nor low budget (something slightly over 10 million if I remember correctly) and I doubt Grim Fandango was all that shoestrong either. I can see your point, but I don't think BS4's look in general is particularly glaringly lacking in art direction but more misses the visual polish and detail a larger budget may have allowed.
pascale
09-15-2006, 07:45 AM
tunguska, by far!!!!!
aries323
09-15-2006, 08:09 AM
I agree that the BS4 demo & game has nice visuals & graphics.
However, I find the Tunguska demo's puzzle more logic(ally?) than the BS4 demo, helpting to further along the story in the game.
In the BS4 demo, I get the feeling of some guys in a company playing &
toying around with a few puzzles (illelogicas ones, sometimes also...)
making up a story that fits these puzzles.
In Tunguske I get the feeling that the developers have thought out the story, looked at how puzzles can hel move the story along. In BS4, I just get the feeling that puzzles is thrown in the story - because it is an adventure, and an adventure game needs puzzles and such & so on & so on.
aries323
After reading this thread I started downloading the Tunguska demo.
Also read this: http://www.adventure-island.nl/index.php?file=interviews/interviewsecretfilestunguska_eng
seagul
09-16-2006, 04:53 PM
Tunguska, by far!!!!! As someone stated above.
I played Tunguska (the whole game) - wow! Interesting story, appealing characters, nice puzzles. :D
And I' m now playing broken sword (the whole game): it really sucks! The controls are nearly out of control, the story is told in a way, that I don' t feel involed, the magic of part 1 is totally missing, the camera movents are unpredictable, the puzzles drive me crazy. I' m so disappointed. :r :frusty:
After playing such a pleasing game like Tunguska (remind my of the good old days:) ) broken sword is even more frustrating.
pascale
09-17-2006, 03:57 AM
Seagul: how come you've played Tunguska already?
seagul
09-17-2006, 09:22 AM
It' s released in Germany. I played it last week.:) :D
The Seed
09-17-2006, 09:45 AM
this is a screenshot i just took from the demo on my pc... you tell me where the bad graphics are :)
Well the art direction is certainly nothing special, and the environment is still to bare.
Psychonauts is neither an adventure nor low budget (something slightly over 10 million if I remember correctly) and I doubt Grim Fandango was all that shoestrong either. I can see your point, but I don't think BS4's look in general is particularly glaringly lacking in art direction but more misses the visual polish and detail a larger budget may have allowed.
IIRC, a lot of Psychonaut's budget was setting up Double Fine.
Litrick
09-17-2006, 05:58 PM
Well the art direction is certainly nothing special, and the environment is still to bare.
That is a valid opinion. others (inclusing myself) like the style of the art direction, and dont find the environments to be bare, which is also a valid opinion :)
Speaking from a technical perspective however, the graphics are better than average.
I am beginning to wonder how different the graphics look on different generations of cards. There is a huge differece between pixel shader 1.1 and pixel shader 3.0. perhaps the game supports a range of shaders and looks markedly better on newer cards? Anti aliasing, high res, texture detail, filtering type, image quality settings on cards and most of all frame rates make a HUGE difference to the impression of whether graphics are "good" or not... I dont think this game takes kindly to older cards...
psisal
09-17-2006, 07:47 PM
In terms of a demo's goal being the attraction of users, Tunguska won out plot-wise. The demo allows you to start at the same level of understanding as the protagonist, so you can definitely identify better with the character and not feel the weird disjointed sense of having been dropped in the middle of a plot (as was the case with the BS4 demo).
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